US says it will send troops to eastern Europe if Russia invades Ukraine

You responded to an article about stationing US troops in Poland and Romania by talking about US troops fighting with Russia.

I have no complaints about their article about stationing troops in Poland and Romania.

I'm talking thermonuclear.

I disagree. They will be able to help repel a Russian invasion of the EU.

And if we station long range offensive missiles in Poland and Romania, they can be used to shell Moscow and Leningrad on short notice.

If Russia invades the EU, we will most certainly fight.

His whining says otherwise.

The US troop presence there is rather thin at the moment.

No he doesn't. He doesn't care a bit about the ABMs. What he is worried about is us stationing long range offensive missiles in Poland and Romania.

And if he keeps invading other countries, that is exactly what is likely to happen.

I do not share the opinion that reality is laughable nonsense.

No they aren't.

 

You may not .. but the Pentagon would be squawking like a Chicken.. and you have no clue what threat the ABM's pose to Russia .. and the end of the day .. nor do I .. and nor does Russia .. and that is the problem.

The only time you can have a realistic shot at taking out an ICBM is in the boost phase .. which is exactly where these ABM's are appropriately positioned .. perhaps not for all locations ... Russia a big country . but for some.

 

When has anyone in the U.S. or the West even proposed that?

 

So. Unless you want to hold out the hope of launching a nuclear first strike on the U.S. they shouldn't care about ABMs in Eastern Europe.

But be honest. Even if the Russians don't plan on launching nuclear weapons at the U.S. the love to think to themselves "We COULD if we really wanted to".

 

Who cares about the Pentagon? Our military is not supposed to make policy for the country.

 

You wouldn't be so funny writing about WWIII, millions dying and all that jazz if you believed it was even remotely possible, would you? Neither do I believe in this kind of tales from the Crypt.

 

What are a few US troops going to do against a Russian Invasion of France - that France is not already capable of doing .. set off the French nukes for them ... or stand in the way of the Russian nukes.

Keep up the chuckes

You have no clue whether or not Putin is concerned about ABM's .. stationed at the proper place to take out ICBMs.

Long Range ? France is perfectly capable of wiping Russia off the Map .. from a relatively short range for a ballistic missile - 3000 km.

Sure putting them in Poland is much closer .. .could put some of those short range nuclear cruise missiles .... but really matters little in the grande apocalypse you so desperately yearn for..

 

Indeed Russia would like to have first strike capability .. and missiles designed to deny them that .. they should definately care about.

Your not making any sense...

 

Pentagon and State Dept are on the same Policy page .. and well.. the Military Industrial Complex is not supposed to make policy either .. but they do. Just like Sprey told ya mate .. The purpose of the F-35 is to send money to Lockheed Martin cause it ain't good at much else !

 

I don't believe it is remotely possible - and you now get the point .. Sending Troops is laughable silliness .. as we are not going to war with Russia anytime soon .. and the tales from the Crypt were to happen ... the troops would not do much good - as they would all be running as fast as they can in a direction away from there they think the bombs will hit .. a futile exercize of course ... cause you only have a maybe 10 minutes max .. assuming you know they are coming .. which in the case of cruise missiles you wouldn't until the very last few minutes .. if you are lucky.

You are correct in one thing though .. this waste of money and resources is no joke .. need to be paring down our military .. not ramping it up.

 

Well, Biden just threatened to station unspecified forces in the eastern part of the EU if Russia expands its invasion of Ukraine.

We've also conducted some long range missile tests since we pulled out of the INF treaty. I haven't heard of actual missiles being developed yet though.

But as Russia keeps invading country after country, I'm pretty sure that we'll get to the point of building and deploying such missiles in Poland at some point.

 

I'm pretty sure that he does.

Russia also knows that the ABMs are no threat to them. They don't care about the ABMs at all.

What they care about is the possibility of long range offensive missiles being based in Poland.

Wrong.

Not only are the ABMs not within range for a boost phase attack, they aren't even designed for boost phase attacks.

Yes I do.

The ABMs are not stationed anywhere near where they would have to be to attack Russian ICBMs.

So then why is Putin whining so piteously about them?

The ABMs in Poland and Romania are not designed to deny them that.

Yes he is.

Wrong. It is an outstanding ground attack aircraft.

In particular it is great for dropping tactical nukes on invading Russians.

We will defend the EU if Russia invades them.

Our troops would be of great help in repelling a Russian invasion of the EU.

We are not going to disarm and allow China and Russia to conquer us or our allies.

 

You cry "Wrong" and then address something irrelevent to what was said. I one wanted to shoot down an ICBM -- the place to be is as close to the ICBM launch spot as possible ... Obviously.

That we don't have that ability is irrelevant.

Now we won't .. will be running for the exits -- big hurry .. but worry not .. Russia will not be invading France.

 

If you actually knew jack about Sprey you would know he was an idiot. And no he did not help design either the F-16 or the A-10.

If you knew anything about the subject you would admit that.

 

The post you are responsing to says nothing about design. Not sure why you pretend otherwise - and indeed Sprey was on the team tha built the F-16 and the A-10 - excellent planes as opposed to the Flying Turkey known as the F-35. and it is not like this is some big secret .. except to you apparently.
The U.S. Air Force Just Admitted The F-35 Stealth Fighter Has Failed
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...5-stealth-fighter-has-failed/?sh=adeec381b169

Lacking material to support claim - you cry "Sprey is an idiot" , when clearly he knows a whole lot more about the F-35 than you do. Are you sure we don't have a case of pot calling kettle black mate ?!

 

Checkmate kid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Sprey

 

Posting a link without pasting something from that link whch backs up claim -. is not Checkmate Grandpa .. and in fact is a violation of Forum policy .. due to inherent moronicity of this action.

You failed to even state what you are claiming - in your desperate dance of denial.

 

The fact that our ABMs don't have any ability to threaten Russian ICBMs is highly relevant to your untrue claim that they are a threat to Russian ICBMs and is highly relevant to your untrue claim that Putin is worried about our ABMs.

Wrong. If Russia invades the EU, the United States will smash Russia.

That article is nonsense. The F-35 has not failed. It remains an excellent stealth ground attack aircraft.

Sprey has a point about dogfighting.

Sprey is spouting nonsense about stealth and bombing ability.

 

No idea what you mean by "Smash" .. and since you will make up a nonsense definition when your position is lost .. Explain what you mean by "Smash"

 

Don't project your failings onto me .. Putin claims the ABM's are a threat to their ICBM's - and you have no ability to prove otherwise. So quite claiming otherwise.

 

F-35 is a massive failure - a terrible ground attack aircraft .. for reasons given by Sprey - none of which you have refuted .. Can't loiter, can't maneuver well, has a ridiculously low payload .. 2 big bombs internally. .. and so on.

You are the one spouting nonsense . not Sprey -- the fellow that started the F-16 and A-10 program. Stealth is a Scam ... "The Battle of Britain Radar can see every Stealth Airplane ever made"

Your claim that Stealth bombers can not be detected is simply false. ..

 

SIAP. Mebe if the Ruskies aren't vaccinated, it'll be a biological war?

 

Both of them have been at or near 2% of their GDP to NATO. Any country failing to pay the full 2%, let their percentage decide how much we'll help them.

 

You got it backwards. You need Russia.

You need the coal, oil, natural gas, metallic ores and non-metallic minerals in the eastern Russian republics, and might I remind you that the eastern republics have 2x the oil and natural gas that Central Asia has, and Central Asia has 5x-7x as much as the Middle East and North Africa.

Specifically, you need it all sold in US Dollars.

This handy-dandy graph explains a great deal:

 

I don't think we need this (in the sense that we would be in trouble if we didn't have it). But as I recall Azerbaijan is already piping their oil to the west.

We definitely don't need that. We do not care what denomination oil is sold in.