Russian submarine with nuclear warheads headed for the US coast

WW2 was started by Stalin and Hitler. The problem being there is no honor amongst
thieves.

Putin himself admitted that half of Russia's hospitals don't even have running hot water.
The life expectancy alone tells the story. Don't adopt the Michael Moore view of totalitarian
medical systems - it's just nonsence. Even the Oligarchs go to Europe for treatment.

Next you will be telling me China's borders are open to Western media. Russia will
follow China in this respect - all the way. Gradually all independent media outlets are
being closed down in Russia. Read up on 'Human Rights Watch' concerning Russia.

 

You have no evidence of that.

 

How could you not know that Russia has hypersonic missiles ? What a laugh - you have serious denial going on.

 

Hey Rip Van Winkle, it's 2021 not 1990. As for Human Rights Watch, is that a Soros funded organization? Maybe they better concern themselves with what's going on in Australiia, Canada and the US. All the MSM are owned by 6 corporations, the same corporations that finance our political candidates.

Instead of looking at the splinter in the other person's eye, let's start looking at the log in our own. What you might see is a grave failure of our so called 'democracy' which is nothing more than an oligarchy as was proven by a study by Princeton University a few years back and has since been removed from public view.

Ah yes, censorship. So what else is new on the Western front?

 

We have a lot of Rip Van Winkle's around. They believe what they want to believe, and have blocked out everything from the time Vladimir Putin became president - and that was 21 years ago.

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Dreamland, dreamland,

my very own serene land,​

where I am free to only see

whatever pleases me. - Jeannette

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Hey Poohbear - Tell me what is Australia and it's free press doing about the prize winning investigative journalist Julian Assange that has been tormented and slowly being killed for revealing Washington's actions - not to mention Hillary Clintons?

Isn't he an Australian citizenship, or are condemnations reserved only for China or Russia - even though their actions might be miniscule compared to what Washington and London is doing to Assange?

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How dare you not do what we say,
for we will always get our way

with torments, lies,
that's how we play
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while basking in hypocrisy
and calling it democracy. - Jeannette

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Fair enough but this is ridiculous. There is a difference between average Joe on the street and someone who has been hanging around the US/Russia Military forums for years -- the issue of hypersonics being discussed in greate detail .. on numerous occasions.

This is some serious moronic idiocy given China, India and Russia have all tested hypersonics .. been well publicized ... and that all three have been part of a Consortia .. Russia leading the charge introducing the sunburn in the mid 90's. The worlds first super sonic anti ship missile .. the US at least a decade behind at the time.

India joined shortly after .. China shortly after that .. the idea being that you could build a whole lot of anti-ship missiles - 1 million a pop - for the price of a 15 Billion dollar aircraft Carrier + battle group + Op Costs.. what ever that ridiculous number comes out to be.

So we had 3 nations - big ones - highly advanced and educated - each able to independently come up with a nuke - representing 40% of population in the world working on this niche technology together - cooperatively - a tech that by the mid 90's had rendered US Carriers - "Obsolete" - at least on a practical level .. if not yet on an operational one .. but that would be just a matter of time.

This missile technology is quite complex - but - this is what Russia has "most always" been the best at.. the US stealing what they could. We gave up completely in the last decade .. for some 10 years .. using Russian rockets to take our satellites and people into space. Still do I think.. as the person we farmed this technology out to "Elon" is just ramping up ability to produce.

In the meantime .. the RIC consortia has been doing nothing but improving missile technology over the last 25 years. Russia tested the worlds first hypersonic anti ship missile prototype in 2012 - Success achieved in 2016 - numerous variations since then Kinzhal - glide vehicles. India successfully tests their hypersonic version "Brahmos" in 2020 .. and in order of Joining the Group .. China recently had a ridiculously successful test of the hypersonic glide technology.. in the form of a big "FU" from the Consortia .. the Pentagon visibly shaken.

Now let your mind wander .. think of this amazing cruise missile/ drone technology Iran is able to field .. patriot system completely useless in defense .. didn't see then coming .. and nor would it have been expected to see them coming because you can't .. these are ground hugging missiles .. if you didn't see the launch .. you are not seeing this thing until seconds before your dead... 10 if you are lucky.

but that is Iran .. what kind of stuff do you think the Consortia goblins have come up with ?

This technology has changed the balance of power - in combination with drones - mind boggling evil the stuff folks are fielding .. folks like Turkey - never mind what the Consortia is doing. - Look at what the US is fielding in terms of drone missile fusion technology. -The one area where the US may be as good as the Consortia .. this is evil stuff that IMO should be banned .. but who cares what I think.

but, "Its all fake Jen" . the Consortia is faking everything .. none of it is real.. propaganda .. bwaaa bwaaa bwaaa..


India displays its Brahmos missile, developed jointly with Russia, in 2018. In September, India tested a different hypersonic cruise missile that was designed and developed indigenously. (Photo: Arun Sankar/AFP/Getty Images)

 

In the meantime, The US hypersonic technology has advanced to the prototype stage .. where Russia was at in 2012.

US Air Force’s Hypersonic Missile Test Fails Again
https://eurasiantimes.com/us-air-forces-hypersonic-missile-test-fails-c-130-aircraft/

and In-between time - The Russia-India-China Consortia has been fielding some advanced product.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/john-hyten-china-hypersonic-weapons-test/index.html

 

What this means is that we have to start changing the way we relate to other nations before it's too late. We have to treat them the way they should be treated, and start giving every nation the respect due them. Isn't that part of the UN charter?

 

Yes .. nail on the head.. and this has been the case for some time .. we are still in the denial phase ... but soon will be in "grudging acceptance" We were the only game in town back in the day .. world economic empire .. The only game in town .. and everyone wanted to play .. so all we need do was whisper our desires - and leaders of nations would come rushing to comply.

This is no longer the case .. as technology spreads ... the cost of projecting power increases - to the point where empire is bankrupted if it tries to maintain/defend. around the same time this happens... other nations - due to outsourcing/technology spread ..have become economic competitors.. Spanish -Dutch - British empires the last 3 to follow same path .. declining for th esame reasons.

We still have one tool left in our chest .. still have control of the world payment system in US dollars ..a privelege given to us on the basis that we would not use this privelege against them.. Drowing and flailing in all directions as dying empires do. Trump used the nuclear economic option .. put a gun to the head of every nation in the world .. forcing them to abide by unilateral and controversial Iran sanctions .. usurping their economic soverighty.. now Biden threatening the same .. but just against Russia .. it matters not .. Never supposed to push that buttton.

The world will soon create a competitor to the US sytem of payments - The day there is a legitimate competitor - will be the day marked in the History books as the defacto end of the US economic empire.

 

The US dollar must come to an end even though it will hurt us dearly. We will suffer, but as long as it is used by other nations their transactions can be monitored and abused by Washington through sanctions. As an example, today Indonesia is forced to buy American and French jets rather than the Russian ones they wanted under threat of being sanctioned.

 

India and Turkey faced the same threats for purchase of the S-400 system. This is what a dying empire looks like .. flailing around .. threatening any nation who doesn't comply with unilateral US dictates and desires ..

 

You said.
Putin destroyed a satellite in orbit, spraying debris into the path of the International Space Station.
You lied. Russia destroyed one of its own satellites, which it is entitled to do.

How did I lie? I didn't say it was an American satellite. Putin is violating international treaties
concerning the militarization of space. Same as China. They destroy their own satellites today,
and in their imperial wars yet to come, they destroy ours.

 

I agree that NATO was wrong to take Kosovo from Serbia. But Georgia and Ukraine are just as innocent as Serbia is.

So what?

We can still retaliate for such an attack by bombing them back.

If Putin keeps invading country after country, NATO will likely get around to placing more forces in Poland and Romania (and perhaps the Baltics).

Probably not nukes, but I can see us putting in conventional missiles. Heavy ground forces might be more appropriate though. Those would be useful in resisting a Russian invasion.

I think Biden would respond if someone attacked the US.

Hardly tormented or killed. Assange chose to be a fugitive instead of facing charges for the rapes he committed in Sweden.

As long as the United States still exists, the US dollar is not going to end.

It's not like our ships are totally helpless against these missiles. But more importantly, what is the range of these anti-ship missiles?

How are these missiles going to attack our warships if our warships stay out of range of the missiles?

There is no need for the US Navy to approach a hostile coast in order to dominate the seas and block Chinese and Russian shipping across the oceans.

We were never an empire. But whatever you call us, we are hardly dying.

 

~ I believe there is much to the U.S. military that is undisclosed. Things could be purposely misleading to confuse others.
I have strong suspicion that this supersonic rocket is on loan to China from Russia - and Russia certainly is not stupid enough to use it.

~ I agree. It would only be an unnecessary show.

~ He may not have any choice in that circumstance. Hopefully he will act before that happens.

 

Being kept prisoner for over 10 years is" not torment" ?

cant defend against a saturation attack

Thats the point .. they have to stay away .. as are sitting ducks otherwise.

Economic Empire .. and since you don't know what we are/were .. don't know what death would look like.

 

Hiding out as a fugitive from justice is not being kept prisoner.

Keeping the US Navy back from their coast will not prevent the US Navy from controlling the other 95% of the world's oceans and preventing Russian or Chinese shipping from crossing those oceans.