Guns Aren't All Bad

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  1. US Conservative

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    Hitler was killed by a gun.

    Was that gun bad?
     
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    Guns aren't all bad. A flintlock is bad but an AR-15 is very good. A black powder pistol is bad, but a Smith&Wesson M&P in 9mm is good.
     
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    I'm sure the elderly couple who stopped their attack could care less about your opinion
     
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    You haven’t answered my question
     
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    :roll::roll::roll:

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    Typical NRA logical fallacy
     
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    I'm with the Aboriginals on this one, we're all thankful that Australia has been disarmed before they were all killed by lead poisoning. Some people can't be trusted with such an advantage, now if the U.S. could just disarm and control our criminals gun owners. Maybe Australia is the solution! We might simple disarm them and boat them all to a remote location on Australia, hey it worked pretty well for England!
     
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    Historically? There is a huge difference, but I'm sure under the glass dome it may look that way from a Australian POV :) And I'm pretty sure, even willing to bet the indigenous absolutely believe and lived that scenario!
     
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    There already are plenty of stories about people being attacked because they could not defend themselves. You just don't hear about them because they are in obscure places.

    For example, there are well over 50 countries with higher homicide rates (1) yet they all have either far stricter gun laws or completely prohibit private gun ownership. With higher homicide rates than the US, they are obviously killing each other with something.

    It's really quite simple. If draconian gun laws worked, they would work everywhere, not just in a few cherry picked countries that are nothing like the US. (2)



    (1) "Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) - Country Ranking"
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings


    (2) "The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries"
    https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-...oped-countries

    EXCERPT " Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter).

    Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan.

    The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again.

    Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world. They just repeat the phrase because they have learned to do so."CONTINUED
     
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    WOW! It's called the "Element of uncertainty" logically, unlike the slaughter of unarmed indigenous "For example" when it takes far more risk there's a good chance and MUCH HIGHER ODDS that the person/murderer/criminal will be met with the same advantage they will think twice or simply cower.. In America that scenario was played out as the indigenous on this continent became equally armed. Same plays out for south of the boarder! History show that when bullies are met with equal force they change their tactics and are far less aggressive..
     
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    Do you even look?
     
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    Very true, mental illness is a thing..

    Now take in to account one country has smaller population then California..
     
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    If you're talking about stories in which people needed a gun to protect themselves, the reason those stories are under represented are that most people see little point in reporting a crime that was averted and / or simply don't want to involve the police.

    For example, I was compelled to use firearm to defend myself and others against violent criminals at least 3 times and reported none. of them.

    The police were, of course, nowhere around and dialing 911 was just not an option.

    I know that you support stricter gun laws but why would you want to deprive law abiding citizens of the most effective firearms available ( 10+ round magazines, semi-automatic carbines etc) when they are confronted by multiple violent criminals?

    Please excuse me if I've misunderstood your sentiments.
     
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    Are you a holocaust denier?
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    Guns aren't all bad. That's true. But the real problem is not the guns, and it's the inappropriate education that leads to violence and then makes the weapon needed.

    If we learn to be not greedy and everyone helps each other, then we won't need to struggle with all these confrontations, and we can focus on evolving as a unified race.
     
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    Totally true.But that only exists in a world where unicorns frolic, lollipops grow everywhere and there's a constant sound of "Koom-by-ya" in the background.
     
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    It's funny the way you put this.

    I understand that an ideal world is not supposed to exist but,

    First, of course, there will be a hierarchy in every situation, but we have enough resources on earth so that everyone can be better off. Eradicating poverty can be the least possible outcome. And we all know the main root of most violent acts is poverty.

    And secondly, whatever is happening in peoples' day to day lives is the effect imposed by the higher levels of power. They put people in a situation where they need some brawl to conduct their routine, and then they will be fed by guns.

    AS ABOVE SO BLOW.

    The exact thing is happening among different countries; they always get greedy. So they're producing guns constantly.

    Obviously, all species need some means to defend themselves, but the more they get greedy, the more they will have conflicts, and their defence equipment will get more sophisticated.

    We can have a gun, but when we feel the need for it. The real problem is that the higher levels of this hierarchy are embedding the need for guns in our lives.

    So it only gets back to proper education and raising the level of consciousness.
     
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    Guns are a great hobby. Go out into the boonies, set up some targets... have some fun competition... a picnic... fresh air... great stuff. And gunsmithing is easily as much fun as tinkering with your car.
     
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