If the POT was a fact based party interested in strengthening democracy.......

How so?

 

A government takeover by the progressives is not in the cards at this point in time. People are recognizing that ballot fraud made the country a very few votes away from going Socialist. That is the democrat progressive goal. You can see it in the gift list of BBB.

 

Of course it was but not according to millions of people. You certainly wouldn't expect election officials to admit the fraud in their elections, would you"

No it wasn't necessary. It was an abandonment of common sense elections security measures.

 

They want to be an equal branch of government while at the same time exercising control over them.

 

This resolution was motivated by a recent thread about the election having been stolen (yes, that again).

I admit this will be hard to keep since I am admittedly compulsive in my need to fact check erroneous assertions from the board's conservatives. But I'm going to try.

The resolution is not to breathe life in to baseless conspiracy theories that have been discussed, debunked, rehashed, debunked, raised from the dead, debunked, and then debunked again. Like claims the election was stolen, or whether Mueller exonerated Trump, or other such nonsense.

These myths aren't worthy of breathing life in to by responding to them, as tempting as it is to do so because debunking them is so easy........yet unpersuasive.......to those committed to foment them. At the risk of being pretentious I would hope other progressive posters would try to do the same. Because if we have learned anything it should be some beliefs, no matter how irrational and baseless, can't be extinguished in true believers.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...solution-on-the-board.595586/#post-1073160230

 

Another example of the basically anti-democratic nature of the POT. They refuse to end gerrymandering.

Republicans are locking in newly gerrymandered maps for the legislatures in four battleground states that are set to secure the party’s control in the statehouse chambers over the next decade, fortifying the G.O.P. against even the most sweeping potential Democratic wave elections.

In Texas, North Carolina, Ohio and Georgia, Republican state lawmakers have either created supermajorities capable of overriding a governor’s veto or whittled down competitive districts so significantly that Republicans’ advantage is virtually impenetrable — leaving voters in narrowly divided states powerless to change the leadership of their legislatures.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/25/us/politics/republican-redistricting-swing-states.html

 

Yup!

How About These WORDS

And No In In other words​

ObamaCare Taxed The Working poor
To Pay For The Welfare poor!

Obama ​

ObamaCare -
Health Care Without Costing The uber wealthy.
Just like Biden and both Clintons.
Well Obama be Half White.


Moi
The LAST DEMOCRAT on Board

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A bipartisan commission established in each state..

It's not about 'choosing' it's about how the right is placing unreasonable hurdles between the voter and the ballot box.
This practice needs to stop.

It's still a good policy. Good policies improve aggregate morale, which, in turn, strenghtens democracy

Strengthen the part where the VP's duties are explicitly clear, on what they can, and cannot do,
also the safe harbor rule might need looking into. I'll defer to the OP's answer on this.

The nation's aggregate health has a direct bearing on the strength of a nation's democracy.
Accepted, on that basis, alone.

Pass the Voting Rights Act and the John Lewis Act, For starters.

Moot point, without a habitable planet, there are no civilizations of any kind.

Complicated subject. I support amnesty for illegals who have been hear for longer than 12 years, or so.
We need more, not less, immigration as there is a labor shortage in agriculture, and Americans do not want the jobs enough
to solve the problem. Improving agriculture strengthens democracy.

One man, one vote ( man =men and women)

Nothing else matters. People vote, not cities.

You contention 'you do not want people living in urban areas, blah blah blah' has racist overtones.

So, why can't i make the same argument against people in rural areas?

what if I don't want people in rural areas telling us how to run the country?

If you make that statement, I have every right to make the opposite statement.

See? That's just as absurd as your statement. Both are absurd.

One person, one vote. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.

That is an idea whose time has come.

Says who? You?

The EC, as Hamilton designed, DOES NOT EXIST. Currently, it's merely a rubber stamp for the popular vote in each state.
However, it was designed before we had anywher near the size of the country we have today.

It worked back then, but hte nation has outgrown it's usefulness. The nation is far more dynamic and complex for the EC system.
There were no parties when it was crated, and how there are.

It's in great need of overhaul.

One person, one vote. That is an idea whose time has come.

I don't support calling Trump 'orange messiah' the OP did taht, but I do support legislation that will eliminate persons of low character from seeking the office of the presidency. I've made specifics in another post.

Democracy, voting, these are the things that are the core values of our nation. If we can have a holiday for a frickin' groundhog, are you saying we can't have a holiday for voters to vote, to forward America's core value?

You make no sense, whatsoever.

Repeal Citizen's united. Restore the Voting Rights' act.
Get rid of dark money.

All on on big bill, passed by both houses.

Simple.

For starters.

Elimination of demagoguery regarding health care for the public is a good idea, and would definitely strengthen democracy

Well, it's already embraced by SCOTUS, but codifying it is a good idea, as well.
There is nothing that would strengthen democracy more than reestablishing the equality of power amongst the branches.
It was the central idea behind the Constitution.

What are you talking about? It's a good list, for starters.

I suspect the OP refers to 'Party Of Trump'.

 

Let me see if I can figure out what you are saying:


The 81,000,000 who voted for Biden is a mob.

However, the 74,000,000 million who voted for Trump, are not.

Your logic wanes.

 

The republicans in the senate, who are filibustering everything.

 

I'm sick of your mischaracterizations about a state more people choose to live in more than any other state, by quite a few millions.

And that is a fact for which you have no counter argument.

I'm sick of your mischaracterizations about a state more people choose to live in more than any other state, by quite a few millions.

And that is a fact for which you have no counter argument.

You keep promulgating these tired tropes hate-california yadda yadda, jeez, it does get old.

1. IT’S CALIFORNIA
Well, it’s California after all. There are so many appealing things about the state that attracts thousands – if not millions. Even the real estate market is booming; you only need to search for Newport Beach Homes for sale– or properties in other exciting neighborhoods – to know how lucrative making that leap and moving to California can be.

2. GREAT WEATHER
You can expect great weather no matter where you are in California. Sure, you will get some rain every now and then, but a crisp and warm day is usually what greets you in the morning. This makes California perfect for anyone who loves to spend time outside.

3. PLENTY OF ADVENTURES
Aside from the beautiful beaches, California’s landscape is very distinct. There are mountains and beautiful valleys, lakes and mesmerizing deserts, and they are all waiting to be explored. An adventure in California is one that you will enjoy for sure.
The cities are just as exciting. Take the San Diego tour, offered by So Diego Tours, if you want a taste of the urban adventures you can have in California.

4. FANTASTIC FOOD
Food is another great thing about California; there are so many delicious cuisines ready to pamper you to the max. California’s diverse culture plays an important role in expanding its culinary scene. From the best luxury restaurants to food trucks that serve incredible dishes, good food is always within a few steps from where you are.

5. THE PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY
Whether you drive only when you have to or you’re a true car enthusiast, driving on the Pacific Coast Highway is an experience you don’t want to miss. It is rated as one of the most beautiful stretches of road in the world; give it a try and you’ll know why.

6. TOP-NOTCH EDUCATION
Another good reason to move to California is the top schools based in this state. You can pursue a bachelor’s degree or a master’s in virtually any field you can think of in California.

7. HEALTHY LIVING
California is also perfect if you want to live a healthier life. The outdoor activities and the many healthy living communities available in this state will keep you motivated for longer.

8. THE CULTURE
Let’s not forget that California is also perfect for those who love cultural things. The best museums, places where you can watch top performances and shows, and special events to indulge your love of art are easy to find in this state.

9. THRILLING NIGHTLIFE
If you can’t find a good party in California, then it’s on you. Rub shoulder with celebrities and be a regular at the best clubs in cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco.

10. DIVERSE COMMUNITIES
California is famous for its diversity. Mexico is only a few miles to the south of the state. The long coastline acts as the entryway for people from other countries. Even the ambiance and the nature of California is appealing to a wide range of travelers from around the world.
Let us know if you have any other great reasons to love California!

 

A tests smacks of jim crow.

How do you get around that?

 

Blah Blah. Move on.

 

The lack of quality we get in our leaders doesn't exactly conjure up much faith in the electorate. I agree you can't test people but I understand the appeal of it. You can certainly require them to be citizens and identify themselves at the polls. Nothing Jim Crow about that.

 

Not only are you incorrect, no reasonable person could translate my posts into hate. I posted facts that cannot be refuted with our weather, scenery, or celebrities that live comfortably far from the feces and homeless encampments resulting from your parties irresponsible leadership. Guess what? Your party did not create the weather or the scenery.

What you are doing is called moving the goal post. I live here and love riding my motorcycle through the canyons. I go to the beach regularly (Not Santa Monica or Malibu. The pollution levels are way to high to swim, so I stay north of Leo Carrillo) I will be snowboarding in Big Bear this weekend. I have enjoyed the night life and have performed in most of the historic venues in Hollywood. As a Vegan, I have many great choices in restaurants. Raising 5 kids, I love the museums and know every inch of them and could probably give tours.

Some things on your list are false. Celebrities do not party with regular people.

Healthy living is available to all regardless of where they live and unfortunately, Californians are obese and sick just like the rest of the country.

Life is good, I don't hate anyone. If you are going to be sick of something, why not be sick of corrupt politicians dangling promises in front of you for your vote and delivering the opposite?

Results speak for themselves.

 

Interesting that you would reveal how you view others due to their race. I referred to uninformed voters.

 

You have a majority in the senate. I’ll ask you again, what’s the hold up? You don’t need the republicans to pass 90% of what was in that first post.

 

Not possible. In order for anything to pass it would have to have an odd number of people. That would mean that one side is going to supersede the other. Just because a commission is "bi-partisan" doesn't mean that it will act bi-partisan. Just look to our Congress for that. And yes, I know the tendency to try and say that just because one or two people from the opposite side supports something then its "bi-partisan". That's just BS talking points.

"Unreasonable" to who? You? Or just the partisans? Over 80% of black people say that they want voter ID's in place, yet the left continually claims its a racist policy designed to keep black people from voting. Amazing how that particular majority is ignored.

Sophistry.

The OP seems to want to avoid answering legitimate questions. The first part of what you said is fine. But how exactly will this be done? The devil is in the details. Especially if you want to restore the government branches to equal power like you say below.

As for the "safe harbor rule"....again, the devil is in the details.

Again, sophistry.

There's no way in hell I'm going to support the so called voting rights act. All it is is an attempt for Democrats to gain power and prevent States from ensuring that the elections they hold are secure.

I have not read up on the John Lewis act so have no comment on it.

Then its worthless to talk about in regards to Democracy.

Sophistry.

I would hope that you would include women in such a statement of "one man one vote". The word "man" does not just refer to men. It refers to the whole of humanity also. Most people know this.

Racist overtones? What? You think POC only live in cities? But hey, great way to play the race card huh? Just can't resist it can you?

I even explained why I made that statement. But you had to separate it removing context.

And I don't care if people in cities have a say in how non-urban folks live. My complaint is that they should not be the ONLY ones to have a voice. That is the reason that the EC exists. To give the minority a voice. But you wish to take away that voice and only let those in the city have a say. Why should they be the only ones to have a say? What do they know about dealing with boars or bears or coyotes or any other vicious animal? What do they know about tending crops? Tending to farm animals? Nothing. They don't know what it takes. As such we NEED the minority voice also. Just as we need the majority's voice for urban areas. Tell me, if you support diversity then why would you be against the minority having a voice? Or does that only matter when it comes to skin color?

Actually its needed more now than ever. Especially at a time when there is such division. Think about it, you get rid of the minority's voice and that will not strengthen democracy. It will hurt it. It will push aside a great many peoples voices.

Additionally, contrary to popular opinion (at least among the left), the majority is not always in the Right.

And how do you determine "low character"? Hmm? Tell me you subjective claims here......

Democracy is not at the core of our nation. Individual Rights are. In fact the Founders were against a straight democracy (what you are arguing for) because it threatened individual Rights and Liberty.

The only way to "repeal" citizens united is if you alter the 1st Amendment. Citizens united was wrong in that corporations are people. But it was not wrong in that money spent to support a candidate is a form of free speech. Just like burning the flag is a form of free speech.

Again, you're using sophistry. Healthcare has nothing to do with Democracy.

If you want to restore the balance among the branches of government then start by advocating that regulations made by the likes of the IRS, EPA, ATF etc etc etc be fired. Regulations, IE: LAWS, are supposed to be made via Congress, NOT the Executive Branch. That alone would solve a LOT of the inequality we currently have.

A list means nothing except that which you want/need/support. It does not tell you the how, the why, or anything else.

 

What it is is they lack personal awareness. They think the people who vote for republicans are just confused leftists. Because how can you be anything but a leftist that is the way the path and the light.

The only other object in this paradigm are monsters. This is why when you disagree with the leftist about something they say that you hate a particular group of people or you hate some idea like democracy.

So everybody is genuinely just leftist but they're either confused or evil.

That's why you hear a lot of this stuff about these really bad unpopular disliked Republicans as though none of those things are true that they actually represent the Republican party when really they're just wishy-washy fence sitters because they're holding office in an area that is very mixed. Think mitt Romney one of the most unpopular people to run for president as a Republican that I can think of.

 

Math made easy: 81,000,000 > 74,000,000 therefore 74,000,000 is the minority.

 

Thanks, I'm bookmarking that one for future reference.

 

No, they merely want to exercise their constitutional duty of oversight, and while doing it, not be made a mockery of.

 

That does not change the fact that it is an oxymoron.

 

I live here all my life, and I do not see what you characterize.

There are a lot of wealth here, lots of health and vibrant life here, hell, CA one of the most health conscious states, and if all one did was listen to you you'd think California was a shiit hole, and i resent that. I find it offensive. and, and there are far more to life here beyond your simplistic allegations. But, because you have a right wing agenda, you refuse to consider any viewpoint but those which confirm or obvious bias.

Falsehoods which, you incessantly repeat, AS IF they are fact, when they are not.

Results? You only see that which confirms your bias.

 

I said it smacks of jim crow, and it does.

I didn't refer to anyone, in particular.