NYT columnist floats Biden-Cheney ticket in 2024

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  1. US Conservative

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    Agreed.
     
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    “Dear Lord Baby Jesus”, no, no , no Hillary.
     
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    All BS. I wasn't arguing that Palin or anyone else was a good choice nor making any argument about experience. Fact is, they were chosen by the GOP and the only reason they didn't run is by their own choice, not because the GOP doesn't like POC. Trump may be a racist but I've not seen any evidence of that and I have seen a LOT of evidence that Biden it. Another example of how blind the left is. Thanks.

    Texas has a similar law but the Georgia law didn't make it against the law to give people water either. It totally allowed it if you gave the water to poll workers to deliver. It also allowed it outside of a few yards from the polling location. From your own link:
     
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    I don't believe you have anything to back that up.

    They clearly had name recognition. And, Powell had respect.

    My understanding is that Powell simply was not interested in politics. And, surely for good reason. The methods of his position weren't likely to transfer particularly well. And, he liked the order of the military, not the brawling of trying to get something done in politics.

    As for Condi, I really don't believe she was electable. And, the fact that the RNC gave her some level of sniff doesn't change that at all. She had problems besides her skin.
    LOL - it made it illegal to give it to individuals.

    If I wanted to give a bottle of water or a sandwich to my mother standing in line for HOURS, I could be arrested for that.

    The law created a hardship that could be used in further discouraging certain people from voting simply by ensuring long lines in districts they hated.
     
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    Our 'democracy' is not under attack, inasmuch as we were never supposed to be a democracy in the first place. Put it another way, our democracy IS the reason for our decaying political civic, not the other way around. Is it a coincidence that the political collapse of the US started when the conglomerate merged with the newsletter, and created the modern day political parties?(Circa mid-1950's.) The world we grew up in, and the world we inherited is not the world the framers envisioned when they rebelled and achieved in 1776.

    Or if I am 'attacking democracy', I'm defending America from a vice that is but one step short of Communism. The democratic system(1950's-2022) is as Winston Churchill said: The worst form of government.
     
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    I really see it as pretty cheap of you to treat Churchill that way.

    Maybe you should apologize to him and come clean about what he said.
     
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    I simply omitted where he said "except all of the others that have been tried". Because the fact is, democracy is the worst. There's no qualifiers needed. Nor can someone who defended the British Crown claim for there to be an exception. He was never a warrior for democracy, and in fact it's cheaper to claim him one.
     
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    No, his quote clearly identifies democracy as the best.

    He stated that it is better than "all of the others that have been tried", according to your wording.

    So, you got that totally backwards.

    But, still I'm curious.

    What form of government do YOU wish we would try in hopes that it would somehow excel above all others?
     
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    I am an unapologetic Fascist-Technocrat. By using Fascism as the symbol of the State's unity, combined with a technocratic efficient model of government, the role of the federal government should be to serve the people as well as to assure the tranquil state of affairs. People are not meant to focus on or worry about the government, our current media-state driven affairs is by people who have monopolized the system primarily for their own purposes.

    I recognize the Plutocrat as our biggest obstacle to unity in America today, it does not fit the plutocrat for a unified American class. The rich must see dregs, and dregs must see rich people as evil for a plutocratic system to survive. But when both the middle class and those among the rich who love their country join forces, the plutocratic propaganda will crumble under its own weight.
     
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    Biden won't run for a second term. Cheney will be primaried out of office and politics this year. I highly doubt Trump will run in 2024 either. That's 3 long year away. I'd be more worried about this year's midterms. I think the midterm results will have a direct effect on 2024.
     
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    Not that I am aware of, there are some, like AOC who are center left, but she's 1 voice.
     
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    Lol she's center left?
     
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    Yup, she advocates for social programs to assuage the worst of capitalism's largess, not the fundamental destruction of the government nor even a fundamental change to our economic system. Center-left.
     
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    They better be watching out for a Clinton run.
     
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    Lol. Sure.
     
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    You do know the federal government does not have the constitutional authority to dictate the rules to states and counties and cities as to how they will run their elections.
     
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    Since you can't seem to produce evidence to the contrary, my point stands unchallenged.
     
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    Ahhh it's former Clinton pollsters Doug Shoen and Andrew Stein throwing it up.

    Here from the WSJ article the Breitbart article is linked

    Hillary Clinton’s 2024 Election Comeback
    Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have become unpopular. It may be time for a change candidate.

    A perfect storm in the Democratic Party is making a once-unfathomable scenario plausible: a political comeback for Hillary Clinton in 2024.

    Several circumstances—President Biden’s low approval rating, doubts over his capacity to run for re-election at 82, Vice President Kamala Harris’s unpopularity, and the absence of another strong Democrat to lead the ticket in 2024—have created a leadership vacuum in the party, which Mrs. Clinton viably could fill.

    She is already in an advantageous position to become the 2024 Democratic nominee. She is an experienced national figure who is younger than Mr. Biden and can offer a different approach from the disorganized and unpopular one the party is currently taking.

    If Democrats lose control of Congress in 2022, Mrs. Clinton can use the party’s loss as a basis to run for president again, enabling her to claim the title of “change candidate.”

    Based on her latest public statements, it’s clear that Mrs. Clinton not only recognizes her position as a potential front-runner but also is setting up a process to help her decide whether or not to run for president again. She recently warned of the electoral consequences in the 2022 midterms if the Democratic Party continues to align itself with its progressive wing and urged Democrats to reject far-left positions that isolate key segments of the electorate....
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillar...oss-11641914951?mod=Searchresults_pos3&page=1

    When people note how feeble is Biden and mentally diminished the leftist always reply well look what it took to beat Trump forgetting Trump already beat Clinton once whether she admits it or not.
     
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    Opening of Tucker on why Hillary is the best chance for dems.

     
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    Where exactly were these long lines you are speaking of?

    And yes it's called electioneering and prohibited in most if not all states. Your mother can order take out and have it delivered or you can take it and give it to a poll worker and they can give it to your mother or you can stand 25 feet from the line of voters who under the law are engaged in voting at that point and she can walk over and get it and I am sure the other voters will hold her place in line.

    This is NOT some new law thought up to quell voting. How about elect and appoint better election officials if where you live has such long lines it takes hours to vote. It's THEIR job to insure voting goes smoothly.
     
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    What would it take to make her simply left? What would she have to advocate that she doesn't now? How about radical left what does THAT take?
     
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    Well, if you read post 88, you'd probably be able to figure out. I'll post it here in case you missed it.

     
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    In what way has she expressed a willingness to assault democracy?
     
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    Her attempt to steal 2016 with the unfaithful elector ploy.
     

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