This happened in my neighborhood ...

If you're young, healthy, and/or have a strong immune system, Covid probably won't hit you hard.

But unfortunately, many people don't share your properties. I think it's wrong to sacrifice them for the sake of the young and healthy.

 

A few thoughts. I know of nobody who thinks covid doesn't exist or that some don't people die while positive for covid. So your premise makes no sense. Your acquaintance is old and the elderly (I am one) represent almost all the deaths that are tracked to covid, mostly from co-morbidities. I am the proud owner of 4 co-morbidities myself. Sorry about your acquaintance but I fail to see how it has any bearing on anything. Yes there is a virus. Some people die while positive for it. People should get vaccinated to reduce the chance of hospitalization, particularly old people with co-morbidities like me. But some fully vaccinated (not many) people also die while positive for covid.

 

But humanity and the mindsets of the people who created Covid and covered it up cannot coexist.

 

I am for the Vaccine for those that need it, not mandating it for those that don't.

 

So "8 of my friends died" who got the vaccine died of the "clot shots"?

Please, never include me as one of your "friends"! The survival rate of be a "friend" to you is the number one cause of death!

 

Unfortunately, humans didn't invent the virus. Not on purpose.
It was an accident that happened in China...

 

No one knows how it was created, except those that created it.

It could have been a single lab worker that through negligence, or incompetence, or spite, violated safety protocol.

It could be that the Chinese military were using Fauci and friends to create a weapon, and through negligence, incompetence, or spite, it was released before the CCP was ready to use it.

Or the CCP, or elements within it or its military, wanted to release it as a weapon.

We don't know because our government, for some reason (and I think that reason is tied to their stock funds), didn't want to know.

 

If the virus did escape, it probably infected one of the lab workers, who then spread it to others.

 

Most likely, as I don't see how the intentional release is the good strategic play. But you can't rule out idiots.

But even with a lab leak, everyone in that lab is at fault for working on such risky work, and then clocking out and intermingling in a city of millions. It was monumentally stupid to do that research there, and everyone involved should be out of that career path forever, including Fauci.

They should be next to me unloading boxes; I'll teach them to lift with their legs.

 

There is more evidence that the opposite is true. The research that created the virus was funded by an American company which, in turn, was funded by NIH. I'm willing to believe that nobody wanted the virus to get loose, but I refuse to believe that humans didn't "invent" the virus and those people in government who supported its development are those in charge of the response to it. This is government corruption plain and simple.

 

To believe that you would have to believe that viruses that created all past pandemics were also created by humans. This current pandemic is no different to previous pandemics

 

He lived and died by his own rules who cares?

He likes to follow the advice or the belief that vaccines were going to hurt him that's totally his choice.

Did you want me to tell you a big long sob story about how people can't alter their diets because they lack no willpower and end up with heart disease?

 

Why would I have to believe that? In fact I don't believe that. I think this was the first engineered virus to strike the public.

 

But you need to have some evidence to support that belief. The variant that was first identified in Wuhan was also discovered in European sewage water samples taken in the previous year.

The variant may have been man made but there is zero proof it was. And similar pandemics have occurred in the past which points to that variant not being man made

 

There is a lot of evidence. Just not conclusive evidence because CCP is not cooperating. NIH has funded gain of function research. Fact. The Wuhan lab engaged in gain of function research. Fact. The virus appears about a mile from the Wuhan lab. Fact. Some virologists have stated that they believe it is an engineered virus. Fact. You have to be naive to think it was not created at the Wuhan lab. Proof? no. Evidence? plenty. Use your common sense.

 

Gain of function research is going on in every major country of the world. Fact
C19 variant traces found in Europe in 2019. Fact
Pandemics have occurred on Earth since humans have been around. Fact

 

No, gain of function research is not going on in every major country of the world. There are only a handful of labs that are equipped to do it. It should be outlawed. To which C19 variant do you refer? I think I am familiar with most of them. Covid hit the pavement in the late summer of 2019. It has been found all over the world in 2019, not just in Europe. You are correct that pandemics have been around forever. Not related to my post. But thanks anyway. Try some common sense. I know it bothers you to do that but there is no proof so the only tool we have available to analyze the evidence is common sense.

 

Gain of function research is being carried out in every major country of the world. Only the naive would believe that it is not.

DEC 2017: US
The US government has lifted its controversial ban on funding experiments that make certain pathogens more deadly or transmissible.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-08837-7

Dec 2015: Europe
What next for gain-of-function research in Europe?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4709283/

Oct 2015: Europe
Gain of function: experimental applications
relating to potentially pandemic pathogens
https://easac.eu/fileadmin/PDF_s/re...f_Function/EASAC_GOF_Web_complete_centred.pdf

Dec 2015: Canada
Plan for Administrative Oversight for
Pathogens and Toxins in a Research Setting-
Required Elements and Guidance
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/p...ce/admin_oversight-surveillance_admin-eng.pdf

Italian scientists say sewage water from two cities contained coronavirus traces in December, long before the country's first confirmed cases.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53106444

Where did you get the date "late summer of 2019"? The first reported identified cases in the world were not until end of December 2019

 

~ They continue to do so today. We are likely going to see another " accident " that will be a real dooozie ...

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I don't think so. There are many crazy rumors about the origin of the virus. People like to believe that because it's just more spectacular - and plain and simple.

It is always believed that governments basically fool the people. Even democratically elected governments.

When the Coronavirus broke out, the Trumpsters were in government in the USA. Donald named the virus "China Flu," no doubt wanting to disguise its true origins.

 

I'm just staring at the ceiling and shaking my head. Have a good day.

 

I think the release of the virus was an accident, but the engineering of the virus certainly was not.

 

From reading news. The December date is old news.

 

LOL You haven't addressed your claim that Gain of function research was not being carried out in every major country of the world just before the pandemic started!. Only the naive would believe that it is not and was not.

Hey how about Feb 17, 2019?
Biologists are trying to make bird flu easier to spread.
https://www.vox.com/2019/2/17/18225...-to-make-bird-flu-easier-to-spread-can-we-not

Or May 13, 2019?
Dual Use Research of Concern and Bird Flu: Questions & Answers
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/avian-durc-qa.htm

Or 16 Jul 2019?
Evaluating the Risk–Benefit Equation for Dual-Use and Gain-of-Function Research of Concern
https://eyvor.org/evaluating-the-ri...use-and-gain-of-function-research-of-concern/

March 4, 2019?
The most secure bio-labs routinely make errors that could cause a global pandemic & are about to re-start experiments on pathogens engineered to make them mammalian-airborne-transmissible
https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03...o-make-them-mammalian-airborne-transmissible/

 

You are certainly the quote king. I continue to rely on common sense. Internet articles don't sway me much. You could be right, though. WHO says there are 53 BSL-4 virology labs on the planet. I don't consider WHO to be a reliable source for anything but you may.