Why does the GOP want to suppress voter turnout?

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Voting is the most American thing a citizen can do.

    We should strive to make sure ALL citizens can easily vote.

    Early voting, is a big part of that.

    Mail voting, is a big part of that.

    Election Day being a Federal Holiday, is a big part of that.

    So why does the GOP oppose all of this?

    Can't they at least support early voting and voting by mail?

    By not at least conceding on these two very basic ideas, it appears that their goal is to simply limit the number of citizen who get to vote.

    Prove me wrong.
     
  2. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Nice opinion you have there hard to prove an opinion wrong.

    Why does the left hate secure elections so badly?

    Probably because it makes it harder to cheat.
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i support requiring a govt. ID to vote, but it must be free.

    otherwise its a poll tax.
     
  4. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Id is required to do many things as an adult in this country for instance to go to a doctor.

    I don't understand how an adult could function in our world without an ID.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It makes no sense to me and here’s the figures to prove that high voter turnout doesn’t always give the Democratic Party an advantage. That’s an old wife’s tale.


    Average voter turnout since 1960 in presidential elections 55%.

    2020 62% high Biden winner

    2016 55% average, Trump winner

    2012 53% low, Obama winner

    2008 57% high, Obama winner

    2004 56% high, G.W. Bush winner

    2000 51% low, G.W. Bush winner

    1996 49% low, Bill Clinton winner

    1992 55% average, Bill Clinton winner

    1988 50% low, G.H.W. Bush winner

    1984 53% low, Reagan winner

    1980 53% low, Reagan winner

    1976 53% low, Carter winner

    1972 55% average Nixon winner

    1968 61% high Nixon winner

    1964 61% high LBJ winner

    1960 63% high JFK winner


    4 Democratic and 2 Republican winners when there was a high voter turnout, above average. 4 Democratic and 3 Republican winners when the voter turnout was low or below average. 1 Democrat and 2 republican winners when the voter turnout was average. Presidential wise, little to no difference which party wins be it high, average or low voter turnout.


    Midterm House elections. The average turnout for midterms is 40%

    2018 50% high, Democrats gained 44 seats

    2014 38% low, Republicans gained 8 seats

    2010 42% high, Republicans gained 63 seats

    2006 38% low, Democrats gained 33 seats

    2002 40% average, Republicans gained 8 seats

    1998 37% low, Democrats gained 3 seats

    1994 42% high, Republicans gained 54 seats

    1990 38% low, Democrats gained 7 seats

    1986 38% low, democrats gained 5 seats

    1982 43% high, democrats gained 27 seats

    1978 39% low, Republicans gained 7 seats

    1974 39% low, Democrats gained 39 seats

    1970 48% high, Democrats gained 12 seats

    1966 47% high, Republicans gained 47 seats

    1962 46% high, republicans gained 4 seats


    I still don’t see a correlation between high and low turnout benefiting one or the other party. What I see is when the house changed hands, control 1994, 2010 and 2018, turnout was high. But in 2006 when the democrats took control of the house with a net gain of 33 seats, turnout was low. Finally, I looked back at gains of one party or the other of 30 or more seats to compare that to voter turnout in the midterms.


    2018 50% high, Democrats gained 44 seats

    2010 42% high, Republicans gained 63 seats

    2006 38% low, Democrats gained 33 seats

    1994 42% high, Republicans gained 54 seats

    1974 39% low, Democrats gained 39 seats

    1966 47% high, Republicans gained 47 seats


    4 with high voter turnout, 2 with low voter turnout. Interesting to note that in 3 of the 4 high voter turnout midterm elections, it was the republicans who gained 30 or more seats vs. 1 for the Democrats. The two elections that had low voter turnout, the democrats picked up 30 plus seats in both of those.


    My conclusion, no reason to suppress voters. When they’re dissatisfied or angry with the party in power, out that party goes whether in a high, average or low turnout.
     
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    I have never gotten a my drivers license for free
     
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    So?
     
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    @Ronstar please answer the above. I am curious to what your answer is. I don't know one single person without an ID, how many do you know?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So create a state ID just for voting, thats free
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many poor or elderly folks may not have a drivers license
     
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    So
    Try reading the thread from the top LOLOLOL
     
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    Not everyone has - or can afford to get - a driver’s licences.
     
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    LMAO, then get one for free, so here we go now where they can't

    Walk
    take a cab
    a bus
    a bicycle
    call a friend
    find a utility bill

    :blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:
     
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    Yeah, scraping together $30 is terribly difficult...
     
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    Fine with me! Long as they are a legal resident and have done as I have been made to do and show a birth certificate and proof of residency.
     
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    I think they want to give up liberty for perceived security. or - they can't win on policy.
     
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    Apparently not for you. But there’s more to it than showing up with $30 in your hand. And why should someone pay for a license if they’re not going to drive?
    Free ID. Why not?
     
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    Again, you have never gotten a drivers license for free, SO WHAT? That has NOTHING to do with voter id.
     
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    For you, I don't know if you know this but other people are NOT YOU.
     
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    Well you have to have a birth certificate to get one right and I don't think those are free.

    I'm far from wealthy and even I can scrape up 30 bucks
     
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    Which states require people to pay for IDs sufficient to vote?
     
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    It's a matter of priorities. Which is more important?
    The GOP wants all the legitimate voters to turn out, and vote- ONCE.

    The democrats want to see as many votes as possible- and they don't care where they come from.
     
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    Really! That's what I use for voter ID..

    LMFAO :)

    In fact, I use that exclusively as my go to ID for any and every time I'm asked for ID

    You even live in the U.S. :wierdface:
     
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    false
     
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    every state that requires an ID to vote
     

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