Why does the GOP want to suppress voter turnout?

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    I'm 3 weeks short of 71, don't call me son. "I" always, as disgusting as it was, always recognized Donald Judas tRump, as President of the United States; he was a sell out to the Oligarchs of this world, a Liar and a thief, a misogynist and a cheat.

    And President Biden may be responsible for inflation and gas prices BECAUSE he's PRESIDENT; but they aren't his fault; and unlike Benedict Donald he is a RESPONSIBLE President.

    You're displaying your lack of compassion and knowledge of the poor. I've volunteered and worked with them and to some $30 is an unbelievable fortune; but you, apparently, have no way to know that. -sad
     
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    Millions of U.S. citizens do not have government-issued photo identification, particularly voters of color. Voter identification laws are a part of an ongoing strategy to roll back decades of progress on voting rights.
    https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02/fact-check-millions-government-photo-id/

    Most statistics on voter ID seem to be tied to the census, many are 10 years old.
     
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    I wasn't lecturing "US" on the poor, but I HAVE worked with them, obviously "I" do give a ****. Frankly, what you believe or don't, is of no concern to me. EVERY source not Faux News or Blightbart is bogus to you.:roll: Have a nice day! :bye:
     
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    Then stop responding, find a nice mound of sand, and pound it.
     
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    Well, you just said yourself that our elections are secure and there was no evidence of cheating.

    So I think you should be asking yourself that last question and not me
     
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    How does making it a criminal offense to give water to someone standing in the hot sun for hours waiting to vote balance anything?

    You're not actually standing in front of the polls with policemen and dogs, no, but you ARE making it hard for old people and sick people and poor people to vote. Why do you hate old people so? Aren't their lives hard enough?
     
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    The Jim Crow 2.0 Georgia passed? Makes voting easier than in New York (Schumer) or Delaware (Biden). Early voting has not been a target in any state. All provide mail voting with acceptable ID provisions. Voting by mail, when requested is also allowed with appropriate ID.

    You've been lied to.
     
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    I don't think so.
     
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    IF, as conservatives contend, everyone needs an ID to function in this country, then one, of some kind, should be free, mandatory and a means for EVERYONE to obtain it should be a governmental responsibility.

    BUT! A "National ID" would get adamant opposition from all sectors. So, it seems to me, their should be some State responsibility to provide one. IF, States have State's Right's, then Modern Day State's must have State responsibilities too, IF ID's are essential, an ID should be one. Maybe their could be ID mobiles, like the old Bookmobiles, that make their rounds through neighborhoods and shopping areas. Walk in one end and out the other with and ID ... AND ... you can register to vote at the same time.

    When I moved a couple years ago, everybody and their brother, including my State's voter registration department (State Department) knew about it. My voter registration was automatically updated. It would seem reasonable that when a death certificate is filed, a flag would go out to voter registration to drop me from the Post Office, DMV, Tax Rolls ... AND voting rolls. Everything would be up to date, nothing to bitch about. My State ID would need to be updated periodically so a new picture could be taken, it would be the states responsibility to remind me and tell me when a IDmobile would be near by. Then it would be on me to get'r done! 8)
     
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    Russians influenced our elections via external means, fake bad news about hillary, memes, facebook and various social media. Technically speaking, it's not 'cheating', it's called 'meddling', 'interfering'.

    The argument is about internal methods, actual cheating, fraudulent votes, tampering with ballots, China hacking, etc.

    So, I think you should not be conflating the two as you have, whereby I most certainly will repeat the question:

    WTF are you talking about?
     
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    All of which has to do with the security of elections.

    You stated our elections are secure.
     
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    The elephant in the room is it takes some effort to do so. Some people will vote if it's easy (including getting ID) but if it takes some effort will be less inclined to bother. Unfortunately for the Democrats more of that type of person votes their way.

    At least, that's my ongoing theory.
     
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    It is my opinion that anyone that votes ought to be required to pass some basic civics test.

    If a person doesn't even know for instance the three branches and functions of the federal government in my opinion they have no business voting.

    My dad has a saying for people that can't be bothered to do much.... They wouldn't hit a lick at a snake with a stick if it was about to bite them
     
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    Our security is our decentralization, different systems in different regions, paper ballot back ups.

    They tried to hack out computers, but failed to change votes, which couldn't have been pulled off because a paper ballot and machine count mismatch triggered audits, whereby discrepancies were detected and corrected and the vast majority of systems are off line.

    where Russia was more effective was meddling in the election via external influences, manipulation of ads, memes, fake news articles, emails, etc.




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    My feeling is every citizen should be able to vote, regardless of competence.

    But maybe you're onto something. I think people who want to gain citizenship (and then supposedly vote) should have to jump through extra hurdles, including reasonable English and a basic understanding of the country ( including government) that they want to become citizens of.
     
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    There was once a time where that was the case back in the Ellis Island days.

    Immigrants understood that their first duty was to learn the language and something about the way the country works.

    Nowadays you can have people that have been here for 20 years that barely speak a lick of English but we're supposed to assimilate to them and speak their language.
     
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    Why? They never asked me.
     
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    And if they had I'm sure you would have done fine :)
     
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    See , I did great
     
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    No, I think republicans oppose federal mandates of any sort relative to voting. Voting is clearly reserved to the states in the constitution for good reason. Federal government has nothing to do with voting according to the constitution. Nobody wants impediments to voting. Nobody should want a reduction in election security either. If the public doesn't have faith in the electoral system - and it currently may not - then the elections are worthless. Election security needs to be air tight.
     
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