Eric Trump spent hours pleading the 5th Amendment more than 500 times

Defies logic and common sense … I’m actually with you on that one.
But for the lawyers it will be important to get it on the record that they asked the questions and he pled the fifth on response. That’s how these things work.

 

It’s in a court filing, so until you produce evidence (transcript) that the court filing is a lie, I’ll accept that filing at face value.

 

It's your claim, support it with a transcript and I'll be happy to accept it.

 

I’m pretty sure I did quote what you posted. Perhaps the mods removed your post.

 

Not so much. No notice from mods, and you included the 'flame bait replies' in the body of your response.

 

I haven’t made any claim other than
1 to accept at face value the assertions made in the court filing, until contrary evidence is presented and
2 to say that it’s possible to ask 500 questions and get 500 “plead the fifth” answers in 6 hours.

You’re the one who says that is horseshit, so back up your claim by proving the AG wrong. Ball’s in your court, sunshine.

 

Sure, let's pretend that AG's don't lie, and lie their asses off. I wish that were true, it certainly should be true, however, it most certainly is not true.

For example:
When Gross Exaggeration Turns into Blatant Lies: NY Attorney General Letitia James...

https://foac-pac.org/When-Gross-Exa...ttorney-General-Letitia-James/News-Item/12886

She's pretty damn sloppy with the truth, especially when it comes to her political vendettas. I await the transcript. If it supports your claim, I'll believe it.

 

That’s false. I quoted you. Somebody modified my post. I did not put “flame bait replies” in my post. I did not write that.
I don’t know why the mods might have removed your post because I can’t recall that you wrote anything particularly offensive. But your post has been removed.
Anyway we are way off topic. Here’s my takeaway from this thread:
1 it is ironic that Eric Trump pleaded the fifth many, many times after his father said that innocent people don’t need to plead it, and the people who do plead it are “the mob”. That’s funny.
2 the fact that he pleaded the fifth has no relevance in a criminal trial. He is not obliged to say anything
3 however, pleading the fifth can be relevant in a civil trial. The jury is entitled to draw an adverse inference from a refusal to answer questions.

 

Yes, I can most certainly see her doing that, as she's probably been taught to do so as a regular routine. Pump up the value of property when you try to sell it, insure it, or use it as loan collateral, but downgrade the value on all tax forms. It's what many wealthy people tend to do, but few are as blatant about it as the Trumps, doubling or tripling values instead of just padding them a bit. This is not new behavior, it's a family tradition going at least as far back as Frederick Drumpf, Donald's grandfather.

I assume the worst with all of the Trump family, and have yet to be disappointed.

 

Oh puhleeze. Hold me accountable for what? Stating my opinions and backing them up with facts? Shame on me.

Rich people can get tax assessors, loan officers, real estate agents, etc. to write down any number they want. According to everything I've been reading about the Trump trio of offspring and doctoring books with either pumped up property values or discounted property values bears this put. Or do you think the various AGs and DAs in New York are just making things up in order to pick on poor widdle Donny?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ny...aud-donald-trumps-family-business-2022-01-19/

 

Trump is always the topic for those who suffer from TDS.

 

For post that don't make any sense.

Ok, so these are just your opinions, not actual facts. Thats better.

So now its a conspiracy involving the state assessors office who have knowingly defrauded the State of NY out of tax revenue because they were all paid off by Trump?
Yeah, Ok, now we are back to magic land.

You are welcome to post these things your are reading. But its pretty obvious why you didn't.

I quoted YOUR claims and why they have no teeth or how ridiculous they are. If you think you can dispute them without all the fantasy opinions you are welcome to do so.

 

Pretty uncharitable, I think, but I understand your position.

How she would get access to these "books" I also cannot imagine. I suppose she could say out loud in a meeting "I think the house in Camden is worth a lot more than $5 million." But does she get with a professional and independent accounting firm and say "You need to change this number because I think it's too low or I'll change it myself"?

No.

 

How often has Biden had to pay millions to settle a fraud lawsuit?

 

I'm starting to think that this board, like the rest of the internet, is the worst thing ever invented. There is NOTHING too vicious or ridiculous to say, so long as it's about Trump -- the "grifter" who gave away his entire salary for his public service -- or his family.

Just for the record, I disapprove also of insinuations that Hillary had something to do with Vince Foster's suicide.

 

I will take what you are saying at face value, but since I have had posts removed by mods before, nothing remains, it's gone, no description such as 'flame bait replies' exists. All posts relating to a moderated post are usually removed also. As far as I can tell, none of my posts have been removed.

That aside,
1. Ironic, yes. One should be more careful what one mocks, it can and will come back, with sharp teeth.
2. Of course someone is not obliged to say anything, it's usually highly recommended to not say anything.
3. Of course they can draw an adverse opinion regarding the unwillingness to respond to questions. They can also draw an adverse response to what questions are asked, how they are phrased, and for what purpose.

Personally, regardless of my personal opinion of Trump et al, the NYAG has been hunting for anything that can be used against Trump for years, and what they are attempting to present as 'evidence' isn't going to carry what they are hoping it will.

 

A transcript of the deposition? That's not publicly available, other than a snippet in the supplementary petition. Not sure why you think it would be, and no idea why you have trouble believing it happened.

 

If it's not publicly available, why is information on it being leaked? Is a crooked AG trying to illegitimately taint the potential jury pool? Anyone that would do that is clearly untrustworthy. Produce the proof or quit pretending that belief is compelled.

 

It's not being "leaked". The deposition is mentioned in the AG's supplementary petition, which is a publicly available court filing. See page 90. You can also see page 91, re Weisselberg's deposition, also with transcript snippet.
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/supplemental-verified-petition-2022-01-18.pdf

 

I appreciate it. I'm satisfied. Thank you.

 

Which part of "and backing them up with facts" did you not get?

Good grief, all you had to do this past week was turn on the news or read a paper to know that Trump's primary three offspring have been up to their eyeballs in the corrupt part of the family businesses. And have you forgotten that the deservedly defunked Trump Foundation, which was so corrupt that law enforcement shut it down, was run by the Trump offspring? And that all three, including your precious Ivanka, are barred from ever running a charity again?

Why are you so adverse to the truth about that family? Wake up and smell the grift.

 

How do you know? Do you have some inside knowledge of how and why they upped values or downgraded values of their holdings?

See #296. This is a family of grifters.

 

The facts part.

First off, the Trump family doesn't change my life 10 cents worth so I could care less if they rot in jail or make another billion. I wouldn't walk across the street to even meet them. So you can get that thought out of your head. I just don't give a s*** about Trump.

Its the continuous pounding of ridiculous claims which deters from actual information when it happens because less and less people believe it.

There is no tax fraud of tax assessed properties unless its done by the tax assessor. Period.
There is no state DA going to press charges on any federal tax claims, and there aren't any
There will be no depositions of anyone a DA accuses of a crime. They can ONLY speak to their attorney.
And if a DA even subpoenaed someone they are charging with a crime, a simple no is all that is needed and there isn't thing one the DA can do about it.

But out of thin air, all these things can and will be done?

 

I own my place. Most of us, when we fill out tax forms that require us to list the values of real property, are diligent and honest enough to use the latest assessment that is often included in the tax information we receive from our mortgage holders. There is no tax assessor involved at our end, standing over us and making sure we enter the correct amount. In most states, the assessment of property value is done in order to apply property taxes, but in "long form" income tax filings, we can enter any value on the applicable form. The trouble only happens if we get caught out by the difference between state and local assessments and the value we enter, which would usually only happen if we're audited.

So yes, we can cheat if we dare, and if we're prepared to face the consequences if caught. In this case, James is not filing criminal fraud charges. This is a civil case, which seems weird to me and I can understand why some would see it as a witch hunt, but apparently, she does have evidence.

But this thread is about Eric Trump taking the 5th a few hundred times in one deposition. Why would anyone do that if they had done nothing illegal or even unethical? It seems over-the-top to me.

 

I have been paying taxes for over 45 years and in that time I have never seen ANY IRS request for property values to impose a tax or impose a credit.
The only tax deductions are for interest paid on your mortgage and home ownership.
Feel free to show me one as I have no clue what you are talking about.

A civil case where a local DA is making claims for 3rd parties, that aren't making claims themselves? This is how stupid this is.
No insurance company is accusing Trump of fraud, the the DA is?
No IRS documents are claiming Trump committed fraud, but the DA is?
No state tax assessor is claiming Trump committed fraud, but the DA is?
And since when do state DAs make civil cases? Who is going to be the plaintiff? The DA?
But give one sniff to the media and all of a sudden this all makes sense? Since when?

Where have you been the last 5 years? How many thousands of times have we seen the media taking information OUT OF CONTEXT to make yet another fake claim against Trump. And they are doing it right now. Too many to count.
And you wonder why Eric told them to f*** off? Please.
I wouldn't give them my dogs pedigree.

They have nothing but are using false claims to get Eric to fall on his sword in a deposition?
Thats how dumb this all is. They had nothing when they started and they have nothing now.