Will Biden threaten war to dodge the pressure of his failure?

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The rhetoric about the Ukraine situation keeps heating up. Biden- is trying to pose as a power element here- flirting with the consequences of military intervention, after we have finally and disastrously just got out of Afghanistan.

    At the same time his administration is taking a great deal of heat for failures, broken promises and moral corruption, that it's doing everything possible to divert public attention to other issues. I have serious concern that the posturing on the Ukraine-Russia issue is motivated by that desperation; literally an attempt at dodging the heat over what they have failed at by involving us is a larger problem. What do you think?
     
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    What would you prefer he do about Ukraine? Ignore it?
     
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    I'm afraid the moron is stupid enough to get us in an all-out war with Russia.

    Maybe he just delayed what Hillary wanted to do.
     
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    How about let the rest of the world be the world Police for once. Why does it have to be our responsibility?

    There's an entire planet filled with other nations that can do something about it.
     
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    Ok. So ignore it then?
     
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    So what you favor military intervention? How long do you think that would take to get us in an all-out war with Russia?
     
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    I am asking you.

    I have already made it clear the US should not fight for countries like Taiwan or Ukraine. Sanctions? Sure? Gear? Maybe. UK is also very vocal about it, and as far as I am aware, US has not said we would send troops either.
     
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    Sabre rattling isn't the answer. As you state in the post above, sanctions or similar. But when you start implying we might do more- I think you are manipulating perceptions to focus on something besides your own war... on the American people. And that's what it appears to be- an assault on the personal and financial independence and security of us all.

    The motive for this post is the fact that his administration has established a strong record of dodging and redirecting focus- and the best way to do that is start a new and stronger problem for people to focus on. Would Biden do that? I think his handlers would, and he would go along like a puppet.
     
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    No, I don't think so.
     
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    Vladimir Putin is a dictator with an expantionist agenda.

    He has just massed more than 100,000 troops on the borders of Ukraine, a country that wants to join NATO.

    If the US did nothing, or had a conciliatory tone, it would be repeating the same mistakes that led us to WW1 and WW2.
     
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    I think he should drone bomb some kids while donating billions in military equipment to Russia.

    That'll teach em!
     
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    I have a better idea.

    Biden should threaten Zelensky with withdrawal of military support if he don't gets compromising information on Ron DeSantis.
     
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    It's a shame that Russia never tried this **** when Trump was president to see how he would have handled it.

    I wonder why that is?
     
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    That is what you think, while admitting the situation can't be ignored. In other words, you'd be complaining no matter what.
     
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    Those who know history are aware that this has been going on since 2014. Trump handled it by ignoring it, and by appeasing Putin.
     
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    If he ignored it, then why didn't Russia make their move then? LOL.

    Oh I get it! 4D chess says they were waiting for a president to get elected that would proclaim that they wouldn't ignore it?

    Gotch ya!

    (well at least ignore it if it's more then the "tip") LOL
     
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    Again, the Ukraine-Russia situation has been ongoing since 2014. He ignored it, which was probably the right thing to do.

    If you are suggesting Trump would have gone to a shooting war against Russia, then why don't you just say so.

    I dont think they give a rats ass about who the president it, because they know US will not enter into a war with Russia over Ukraine (why should we). The West will impose sanctions, and maybe some support in form of equipment and intel, and thats it.
     
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  18. ToughTalk

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    Oh it's just a "coincidence"? got it!

    LOL

    The reality is Putin knew that Trump was a rogue bully who wouldn't give a **** about starting anything where as Biden is a pushover weakling of a president.

    That's the reality.

    Trump didn't ignore it. There was nothing happening for him to concentrate on.
     
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    No, you don't get it. This conflict started in 2014, so how is it suddenly a co-incidence?

    He (and the whole world) knew your messiah was an idiot of the highest order.
     
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    I mean his posturing is about the same as any other president faced with Russia possibly rolling back into an old soviet republic.

    Even presidents that had no intention of doing anything would be saying the same thing right now so it's hard to tell any decision from that much less motivation.
     
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    WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE HIS BIG PUSH BETWEEN 2016 - 2020?!

    Why did he wait for your weakling in charge to get elected?
     
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    I have exactly the same concern.

    The Founders intended that the decision to go to war belonged to the Congress.

    Biden should absolutely NOT be allowed to engage a war of choice - and that is exactly what a war in Ukraine world be - without congressional approval.

    If he does, Congress should immediately prohibit spending money on the war and begin impeachment proceedings.

    He has already done moronic things, but a war against Russia would be the ultimate.
     
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    I agree there is some recitals like this as a normal thing under the conditions. My concerns are that the administration would actually do something stupid to divert public attention from the stupid things already done that they are taking heat for. I also think that given the overall situation, Putin is not going to fear Biden for a moment, and sees American leadership as weaker than it's ever been- and that would be right. Bad combination of circumstances.
     
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    Yes, its pretty much a standard thing to say, which is why other nations like UK are also threatening sanctions. Only a fool would think US would send in troops to fight for a country like Ukraine.

    Because he didn't have the motivation. Now Ukraine is working with NATO, and there is a possibility of them joining, so Russia is playing the bully card.
     
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  25. Seth Bullock

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    Not ignore it. If it happens, all of our allies in Europe and around the world should break diplomatic and economic relations with Russia and treat Russia as a pariah.

    But commit our forces to this war? NO FREAKIN WAY!
     

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