Mehdi Hasan nails it on MLK and CRT.

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  1. ToughTalk

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    No. It's realistic.

    OH NO!!! Are you telling me Obama was getting hounded for being black? Trump was hounded for being white. (well orange)
    Who ****ing cares? Presidents get picked on regardless as to who it is. But the reality was that Obama won handedly which means your incredibly racist country voted in a black man (how? why? since they are racist!)

    If only Africa would fight that war, ya?

    I guess you found 1 white country at #8. good jeb! But seems to me that a ton of other races seem to still have slaves to this day. Go judge them, judge.
     
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    And 5 of the ten are not
     
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    There wasn't any in particular being discussed.......oh........I get it now........black=crime. You're showing your colors.
     
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    Not in any way.
    Yeah, that's exactly what I'm telling you, he was hounded for being black and you compare Trump's spray tan to that!!! How disconnected can one be.
    Picked on??!! Trump was picked on, Obama was racially degraded. Your complete disconnect is evident when you also include that, yeah, he won because of the same reason Trump lost. People with a brain know how to pick people to get things done regardless of race but those that voted against Obama and then voted for Trump clearly did it for racist reasons.
    I have no idea what that makes sense to
    Try to follow. YOU said that most slave countries are black. I never said it was a black/white comparison I'm just showing you that you're wrong.
     
  5. ShadowX

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    I know exactly what CRT is. Let’s see how honest you are. It’s true, as a rule they don’t TEACH CRT to children in schools.

    What they do is they brainwash teachers with CRT and encourage them to use CRT as the FRAMEWORK for all of their teaching lessons, classroom time and discussions with students. That’s how you get dumbass teachers trying to institute social justice into math problems.

    Please try to tell me that’s not what’s going on. Let’s see how honest you are.
     
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    Let’s look at their argument logically. We will go point by point so there is no confusion.

    Does CRT teach that the American system... essentially ALL of the American system... is prejudiced and discriminatory against blacks and has been for centuries?

    Yes?
     
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    No, that's not what is going on. Who are "they" that are "brainwashing" teachers? That's where your assertion falls apart. There is no "they".
     
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    No
    CRT scholars argue that the idea of race advances the interests of white people at the expense of people of color.
    One tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals.
    The most important thing to remember is that CRT is a social hypothosis for acedemic debate. There are no rules that are taught.
     
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    False. It’s not just the idea that race in and of itself causes that. It’s the idea that whites have used race to perpetuate that system for their benefit.

    Critical race theory (CRT) is a cross-disciplinary intellectual and social movement of civil-rightsscholars and activists who seek to examine the intersection of race and law in the United States and to challenge mainstream American liberalapproaches to racial justice. For example, the CRT conceptual framework is one way to study how and why US courts give more lenient punishments to drug dealers from some races than to drug dealers of other races.[1] (The word critical in its name is an academic term that refers to critical thinking and scholarly criticism, not to criticizing or blaming people.[2][3])

    A key CRT concept is intersectionality—the way in which different forms of inequality and identity are affected by interconnections of race, class, gender and disability.[4] Scholars of CRT view race as a social construct with no biological basis.[5][6] One tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals.[6][7][8] CRT scholars argue that the idea of race advances the interests of white people[5] at the expense of people of color,[9][10] and that the liberal notion of U.S. law as "neutral" plays a significant role in maintaining a racially unjust social order,[11] where formally color-blind laws continue to have racially discriminatory outcomes.[12]
     
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    Lol wtf are you talking about proven wrong? It’s a video from the school superintendent EXPLICITLY stating that CRT is the framework which they use for their lessons
     
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    Yes there most certainly is a “they”. Look at the curriculum for school teachers in college. It’s more about social justice than it is how to give children a quality education. It’s more about teaching evil white Johnny he’s an oppressor and poor black victim deshawn that he’s oppressed by his white counterparts.
     
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    "Do something special for the negro"..... Like, give them a pass to create crime? Ignore that 89% of the black murders are committed by black people? Like build special low-cost housing all over the country that soon became so damaged it wasn't repairable? Like today- where there so many black people in commercials you would think the nation is 87% black instead of 87% white- and they are shown in very positive ways, trying to improve their self image for them so they don't have to do that themselves? Double standards where they get to blame everything on racism- including arson and theft? Let them claim looting is reparations? That looting doesn't matter because stores have insurance?

    How about not mentioning the fact that the real source of black slavery and slaves in America was black slave traders in Africa, who had been in the business of capturing and selling their own people for well over a thousand years?

    Or how about honoring Dr Martin Luther King. Holidays, highways and parks, memorials, bla-bla.

    Dr. Martin Luther King- .
    The man who gave a famous speech, that he stole from another man. The man with a doctorate he got with a plagiarized thesis, that should have disqualified his degree. The man who left his wife home while he traveled and had his staff procure multiple hookers for his parties- where the drugs flowed freely, and he often beat the hookers up and laughed about it. You can say that's not so... but even the MLK memorial library now admits it's true.

    But to "do something for the negro" we all pretend that doesn't matter.

    I ask the good and honorable blacks in this country why they don't speak up and condemn the blacks who are still riding the racist train for all it's worth- literally resurrecting it for profit... like the BLM.
    What can be done has been done- except for the lesser side of the black community who chooses to excuse themselves, and damage the image of all black- good and bad.

    But then, the honesty of that would automatically offend a Trump-hater, wouldn't it? It's not the republicans who are hanging onto racism.
     
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    And 'Affirmative Action' has never been a good fit with the 14th amendment.

    SCOTUS takes up affirmative-action challenges at Harvard, North Carolina:

    The Supreme Court will hear challenges to a decades-long practice of affirmative action in private and public colleges
     
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    Yeah, that's what I said.
    Where in either post does it say (like you and others keep saying) that white is bad and black is good.
     
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    So, you didn't read the link. Try again.
     
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    There is no basis in fact in your statement
     
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    Who are the oppressors in America according to the CRT ideology?

    Which group uses the system to benefit themselves and oppress others?
     
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    The point is that you’re ignorant of statistics. Go look up the rate of single parent households in the black community. I’ll wait. Spoiler. It’s Not good.

    And Regarding where education is placed on the hierarchy, be honesty, pick a group and rank them for educational excellence. I will. Jews and Asians. It’s statistically accurate. They’re up there. Now go check out graduation rates of less stellar groups like Latin or Black. Not quite as impressive. Wouldn’t need AA if everyone performed near equal would we? NOPE!!! It’s because the family structure of Jews and Asians prioritize education more than other groups. That’s not saying EVERYONE in any particular group fall under this stereotype. They obviously don’t. But we’re talking statistics here. Averages. And the averages tell the story.
     
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    What do you count on that list?
     
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    Black = disparate amount of crime violent committed. What "colors" are you calling me a racist? Is this your dodge when you were calling for less law enforcement as a way to cut don't on crime?
     
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    Do you think it's fair to say, in broad brush terms, that the "Black = disparate amount of crime violent committed" you note can either be attributed to an inherent predisposition to commit criminal acts or the conditions (in every sense of the word) black people have faced in America for centuries?
     
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    Yes. The advantage intact families give some children is unfair.

    Abolish Parenthood To Advance Equity ...
    [​IMG]https://americandigest.com › 318546-abolish-parenthood-no-family-trumps-equity
    "Copious research over the years shows that people raised in two-parent families do better, on average, than those who are not. Mathews' point is that a single-minded pursuit of equity means abolition of the family."
     
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    Whites......but (and there is always a but) from your post: "One tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals"
     

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