Supreme Court Justices React To Boston’s Refusal To Fly The Christian Flag

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  1. cd8ed

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    I see you have just moved on to lying about others positions now. You need a new playbook.

    At least I can muster up the integrity to answer questions without going on a three post rant.
     
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    Really? Let’s find out.

    Everybody knows about affirmative action so we will just skip that.

    our government through the SBA program 8a provides grants, loans and government contracts to minority business owners that whites either can’t access or have to jump through literally impossible hoops that no other race has to jump through in order to access those funds for the sole reason of their ethnicity.

    Our government provides grants and loans to minority farmers that white farmers can’t get access to because of the color of their skin.

    Our government provides tax credits to businesses who hire minority contractors but not for hiring white contractors. Which means a white contractor has to work longer, for less money in order to make the same amount of income as his black competitor.

    Our government provides tax incentives to entities who invest in minority owned businesses but not for investing in white owned businesses. Making it less likely someone will invest in a white persons business over his black competitor (all else equal).

    So you think all of those should end right?
     
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    Are you talking about this question?

    “Will you support Boston being forced to fly the Muslim flag? Gay pride flag? Satanist flag?”

    Given that they’ve flown the gay pride flag and the Islamic themed flag of Turkey, I’d say we have already had to deal with it.

    With that being said I don’t care what flag Boston wants to fly. I DO care that Boston thinks it can use our tax money and then selectively dictate which groups get to raise their flag.
     
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    Yes
     
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    Are you equally as upset by local and state governments taking out taxpayer money, giving it to religious organizations who then openly discriminate against specific groups or does it end with a flag?
     
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    In America no laws are supposed to be made that favors one religion over another. IE: Laws can be made that is religious in nature, but ONLY if those laws includes ALL types of religion.

    So, to put it in context we'll use your example of halal meat. If a local, state or the federal government makes a law that mandates that halal meat be served in school cafeterias then they must also include in that law that every other religious types of food making be observed/used. The effect would simply be multiple types of lines for the different types of food being served.

    In other words ALL types of religion MUST be considered/allowed in any law making that is about religion or religious in nature.

    When it comes to the public forum, IE: giving a platform (such as raising a flag), by the government then the government must allow ALL groups that same platform. The government is not supposed to discriminate against ANY group, with rare exceptions. Those exceptions generally have to do with preventing mass disruption and law breaking. For example when a local government gives out permits for protesting they can reject a permit request if they have a reasonable belief to believe that it will cause major law breaking (such as assaults, riots etc etc). So, ISIS for example could be denied a permit because they are considered a terrorist organization and there would be a reasonable belief that their "protest" would just lead to more law breaking. Christians on the other hand have had plenty of protests that were peaceful, so there is no reasonable belief that flying their flag would cause mass disruption and law breaking.
     
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    Well actually I would prefer that the government taxed churches and give religious organizations the right to engage in political lobbying.

    Insofar as what you’re referring, adoption agencies, sexual orientation is not a protected class.
     
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    Well okay good then my apologies. I could have sworn I saw you speaking on white privilege but perhaps I was mistaken.
     
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    So you are moving your position from “groups” to now only caring about “protected classes”.

    Ah, the integrity.
     
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    Yes, you were.


    I prefer all being treated equally — even if they are not deemed to be a special class like you believe should take precedent. The same arguments are made by those that support AA. Their group is “special”.

    Odd how you are so similar to the people that you are against.
     
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    Well obviously “groups” would be protected classes. We discriminate against groups all the times and we should. Certain groups don’t get to engage in their behavior because it’s dangerous or just plain disgusting and immoral.

    That’s why we have the distinction of protected classes in the first place. I just thought we were working on that assumption.
     
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    Fair enough. I was wrong. My apologies.
     
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    Although.... you didn’t really say AA should be illegal. You really just said we should be in a place where we don’t need it. Which implies the place we are at right now still does need it.

    Nevertheless. You said those things should end. That’s good enough for me.
     
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    Disgusting and immortal are the same words I have seen used to justify racial quotas. This is what happens when we allow feeling and not facts to dictate personal policy.

    If a group advocates the harm of others it should be banned. Odd that many religious groups do this while the group you likely just called “disgusting and immoral” just wants equal treatment.
     
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    Desperate reach. Those policies were never needed.
     
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    I’m honestly not. I don’t play the victim in my life. But in political discussions I will because I’ve learned to fight fire with fire in order to point out the hypocrisy of the other side.
     
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    Playing victim isn’t fighting fire with fire — it is a cop out when you don’t have a position you can logically justify. But you do you.
     
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    Should 300lbs fat men and women be allowed to walk around in public butt ass naked having sex with each other on the hoods of their cars in the parking lot of the Walmart? Fat Karen comes into your local steak house and plops her fat 400lbs naked ass with her buttplug sticking out ridin a vibrator (of course she makes sure it’s all covered in plastic so she’s not a health threat) ...in the booth across from you?

    They ain’t hurtin nobody. That’s cool right? You wouldn’t want to discriminate against nudists would you?

    How bout vagrants and people with no money. He ain’t got nowhere to live. You happen to walk outside one day and he slips in your door when you’re not looking. Really nice and cool guy. Would be the perfect roommate and a perfect gentleman... except he now wants to live in the same house as you and your family.

    But he’s not hurting or even remotely threatening anybody. So that’s cool right? You wouldn’t want to discriminate against a homeless man because he has no money and you do, would you?

    We discriminate against groups ALL the time. And we should.
     
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    sure It is. Meaning I can do the EXACT same thing the black population is doing and point out discriminatory behaviors, actions, laws and policies that occurred to OTHER people and then lament about how difficult my life is.

    Why is it when black people point out discrimination from the past that didn’t even happen to them personally, the left expects us to be completely empathetic and search our souls for the possibility of understanding how difficult it is for them and how easy it is for us... but when a white person points out ACTUAL governmental policy that is engaged in discrimination against their race in place TODAY... it’s simply laughed off and many times openly mocked.

    If they don’t care about us and in fact LAUGH at us when the government openly and explicitly discriminates against us. Why should we give a damn about discrimination that didn’t even happen to them?
     
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    Did you really just try and compare same sex couples being treated equally for adoption to breaking and entering and women wearing butt plugs in public…

    Yeh, that goes back to the integrity thing we were talking about earlier. Again, I am seeking equal treatment in the eyes of the law and in practice — you seem to be speaking of some weird personal hangups.

    Until you can discuss this less emotionally, there’s no point
     
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    discussing legitimate grievances is not playing victim. There is a substantial amount of discrimination that exist in our systems, both against white people and against minorities. We should seek to identify these so that they can become battered, “fighting fire with fire “in attempt to troll or elicit emotional responses in others for self gratification is not available political strategy to repair these issues

    Because people are lazy and display massive amounts of cognitive dissonance, I remember when this could be pointed out – especially here – and people would reflect on their views. That no longer seems to happen.

    There are injustices that have unfairly set black populations back. That is just fact. We need to be working to remove those barriers and make sure that everyone is treated equally instead of creating new barriers for other groups.

    Because if everyone is in a race to the bottom this country is f***ed. It seems all the adults have left the room and all we are left with is screaming children hell-bent on pushing their own political agenda even if it means destroying ethos nation. We have foreign enemy Nations now capitalizing on this. It is working tremendously well
     
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    I’m not being emotional. Your argument is that we should not discriminate against ANY groups as long as those groups aren’t harming anyone else. That’s your position.

    But you don’t ACTUALLY believe that. You think we should discriminate against those people who don’t want to wear clothes because we as a society think it’s gross and disgusting that people might walk around that way. But they’re not hurting anyone. And yet you believe discriminating against them is acceptable.

    The same is true for people with no money. We as a society have determined that if you don’t have money we have the right to discriminate against you (as compared to people who do have money) even to the point of denying you food, healthcare, medicine and housing. It is discrimination against people who don’t have money. But that discrimination is acceptable. Even though their behavior doesn’t hurt anyone else. You still believe it’s acceptable to discriminate against them.

    The only difference here is you don’t like that we discriminate against gay people. But nudists don’t like that you and I discriminate against them. But that’s too freaking bad isn’t it?
     
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    My argument is the equal legal treatment. I have no idea what you are going on about nudists and homeless people.

    We do not allow people to starve or go without shelter, there are public and private entities that address those concerns. We provide medical treatment without concern to repayment ability but unlike other countries we bankrupt them in the process. Homeless people and nudists all have the same rights and are treated equally.

    The only group in the US that has absolute special rights is religious groups while they openly push for the ability to discriminate against others.

    Do you understand what equal treatment is, because it doesn’t seem like you do.
     
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    That is how it SHOULD be.
    Except more than often it isn't how it is.
    However that is beside my point...that NO law should be passed which reflects ANY faith based identity.
    So that means NO halal meat and/or NO flags .
     
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    I think you are mixing up religion and sexuality.
    My secular concerns are purely on religious grounds.
     

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