Mehdi Hasan nails it on MLK and CRT.

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  1. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    It's no different than whites. If you have other statistics, have at it.
    Averages only tell a small part of the story. What about poverty? Are Jews and Asians poor? The answer is....on average....NO. Don't you think that poverty has something to do with education levels? If you think the answer is no, this conversation is over. If you're poor, your just trying to get by. Education doesn't put food in your belly.
    file:///C:/Users/Owner/Desktop/Percent%20of%20people%20in%20poverty%20-%20USAFacts.html
     
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    I don't understand the question
     
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    I never called for less law enforcement, I said MORE law enforcement won't help the situation.
     
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    I think you do, which do you count as African countries?
     
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    What "colors" are you calling me a racist?
     
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    Obviously the ones in Africa
     
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    NOT EVEN CLOSE!!! And this is just one source. There are many and they all come to to the same conclusion.
    https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race

    The fact you’re even arguing over this proves your utter ignorance. You’re not even worth the effort at this point.

    And poverty might make it harder to prioritize education. Not in every instance but logic dictates over stressed parents can’t pay as much attention to their children. Exceptional parents can find a way, but the average don’t. Want to take a giant guess what is the single biggest cause of poverty is? SINGLE PARENT and fatherless homes!!!

    Take your ignorance and excuses elsewhere and come back after YOU get some education. Thanks.
     
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    You really didn't read that closely did you. The point that's trying to be made is that family erosion is the cause of a lot of problems with the emphasis being blacks and father figures. The chart you have doesn't show single parents living solo. The chart is single parents with a child.....but they could also be living with someone, just not married.
    Here's a good article for you
    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-...solo parents, 42% are,cohabiting moms (30% vs.

    So much for "utter ignorance".
     
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    The folks denying CRT know that it's a national propaganda push from children to the corporate board rooms. They are just trying to protect it from the pushback.

    Intersectionality is the big lie on campus, worsening America’s political divide.

    “There is a theory that commonly informs woke first-year seminar courses, professors’ diversity statements, and the system of oppression found in Critical Race Theory (CRT), anti-racist, queer, and leftist political narratives. The theory is ‘intersectionality.’ But the concept is more than a fashionable term flaunted by academics on syllabi and at conferences. Rather, it is a framework that enables leftist scholars to gaslight ordinary Americans into accepting their false narratives. But these scholars do not follow the intersectional lens that they preach. Their rhetoric around overlapping identities creates a patchwork of allusion and illusion that they couple with moral indignance to evade scrutiny.”

    "The issue is never the issue, the issue is always the Revolution."

    Defund the Police is killing people, and the other folks in the neighborhood are pushing back. And note that the folks behind all this destruction never apologize and never take responsibility. They frankly don't mind the casualties as in their twisted system, the harm is deserved.
     
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    So now you will just be obtuse.........gotcha


    The 10 countries with the highest prevalence of modern slavery are

    1. North Korea
    2. Eritrea
    3. Burundi
    4. the Central African Republic
    5. Afghanistan
    6. Mauritania
    7. South Sudan
    8. Pakistan
    9. Cambodia
    10. Iran
    5 of the ten in Africa - black
     
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    Still waiting....

    How long should there be black privilege? When will we know it can be ended, what are the measurements, the indicators? What else needs to be done?
     
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    Just one example.

    How to explain systemic racism to non-liberals like me

    Why is covid-19 killing more black people than white people in America? For many on the left, the answer is easy: “systemic racism.” That answer drives conservatives bonkers. Covid-19 comes from a virus; it does not care whether victims are white or black and, indeed, doesn’t have eyes to distinguish.

    Conservatives, I understand why you feel this way. But on this issue, the left is, well, right.

    Already, your blood pressure may be rising at the idea that the left might have something to teach you. Mine certainly does when people suggest I’ve missed something important. But give me 600 more words to prove that systemic racism exists and hurts people. If you’re not convinced by then, you never have to read me again.

    Let’s start with what “systemic racism” is, which is not “systems full of racists.” Black people aren’t dying in such numbers because all or even most white people around them hate them and want bad things to happen to them. But they probably are dying because we enslaved their ancestors.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...be1672-c601-11ea-b037-f9711f89ee46_story.html

    Minorities Who 'Whiten' Job Resumes Get More Interviews
    https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews

    You ask some good questions. I don't know the answers. I just know blacks are still disadvantaged by being black.
     
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    Ok? The others have MUCH more in raw numbers......which I said before and is really the point.
     
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    The point of prevalence is how common, by what percentage.
     
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    Spare me

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    If any one wants to try and make some racial thing out of COVID it would be Hispanics.

    Try again

    How long should there be black privilege? When will we know it can be ended, what are the measurements, the indicators? What else needs to be done?
     
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    The plight of Hispanics relative to COVID bolsters, not diminishes, the fact that minority communities have been disproportionately effected. Try again.
     
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    Yeah, but that's not the real comparison with US slavery. US slavery was forced labor. Slavery today consists of a lot of different catagories. Forced marriage being one, organ harvesting is another. To get to the real comparison, 56% of forced labor slavery happens in the Asian/Pacific region of the world.
     
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    Black privilege?!! After centuries of slavery, blacks have only been able to use the same bathroom as you and I in our lifetimes (well, mine anyway) and you're whining on "how long do we have to put up with this"!!!! Are you serious? What are the indicators? I don't know but how about this. I have friends that their work had them move to Paris. They knew they were fitting in when they would dream in French. When you can look at a person and not know/care their color THEN we may be getting close. I'm not there myself so I sure as hell am sure YOU'RE not.
     
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    Doesn't it bother you to spread misinformation. You put a chart but did give all the details. Deliberate?


    Disparities in Total COVID-19 Cases and Deaths
    Cumulative data over time show persisting disparities in cases for Hispanic people and deaths for Black people. As of October 5, 2021, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported a total of over 34.5 million cases, for which race/ethnicity was known for 64% or over 22.4 million, and a total of over 570,000 deaths, for which race/ethnicity was known for 84% or over 480,000. As shown in Figure 1, among cases and deaths with known race/ethnicity:

    • Hispanic people represent a larger share of cases relative to their share of the total population (27% vs. 17%), while their share of deaths is more proportionate to their share of the population (18% vs. 17%)
    • Black people make up a similar share of cases relative to their share of the population (12%), but account for a slightly higher share of deaths compared to their population share (14% vs. 12%).
    • AIAN and Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander (NHOPI) people make up similar shares of cases and deaths relative to their shares of the population.
    • White people account for a lower share of cases compared to their share of the population (51% vs. 60%) but a similar share of deaths compared to their population share (59% vs. 60%)
    • Asian people make up a lower share of cases and deaths compared to their population share (3% and 4%, respectively, vs. 6%).
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    Figure 1: COVID-19 Cases, Deaths, and Total Population in the United States by Race/Ethnicity, as of October 5, 2021

    When data are adjusted to account for differences in age distribution by race/ethnicity (i.e., people of color are generally younger than White people), there are larger disparities for Hispanic, Black, and AIAN people (Figure 2). Age-standardized data show that Hispanic, Black, and AIAN people are at least twice as likely to die from COVID-19 as their White counterparts and that Hispanic and AIAN people are at nearly two times greater risk of COVID-19 infection than White people. These data also show large disparities in COVID-19 hospitalizations for AIAN, Black, and Hispanic people. CDC does not report these data for NHOPI people. Adjusting by age is important because risk of infection, hospitalization, and death varies by age and age distribution differs by racial and ethnic group. If the age is not accounted for, racial and ethnic disparities can be underestimated or overestimated.
     
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    Find me a study that takes into account ALL factors especially those that are behavioral.

    What is the margin of error? What in that difference is behavioral?
     
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    Yes black race affirmative action gives actual privilege based on race alone. This is not centuries ago. Ever race has been enslaved. Slavery here ended 157 years ago, that is almost 8 generations ago. No one alive today is owed anything because of slavery. You want "privilege" over others go out and do the things it takes to earn it like everyone else. And I protested about those separate bathrooms in my lifetime. And don't compare me to what ever racial problems you may still harbor, I never had them.

    And yes I am dead serious, if all this privilege was suddenly eliminate how exactly would manifest itself. What would make you suddenly realize WE ARE THERE!!! How much longer do we have to have black privilege to make it all even?
     
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    Most slavery I know of is forced labor, the slaves in my family history were certainly forced labor what distinction are you trying to make. Forced marriage is not forced slavery by any accepted definitions I know of but so what. Forced organ donations are typically done on slaves that I know of.

    Slavery in the United States lasted 89 years, a little over half the time it has NOT existed in the United States. What percent of the total time that slavery has existed in all our human history do you think is 89 years?
     
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    In fairness I think you have to start at 1619. That yields 236 years to 1865.
     
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    Minority communities where lifestyle is what makes them different not the color of their skins. And the disproportions are on great importance even not accounting for those behavioral. 12% of population 14% of deaths, the difference is meaningless.
     
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    Last I heard the UNITED STATES which ended slavery here started in 1776. If you want to talk about the previous years then talk about Britain and Spain and France and Portugal.
     

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