Russia vows to stop USA from "taking over Ukraine".

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  1. bigfella

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    'Cool' or not there were Russian forces based in and regularly visiting Cuba from 1960 until the end of the Cold War. This included troops who were based there and ships/subs and aircraft that could or did carry nuclear weapons. The line the US drew was basing nuclear weapons in Cuba.

    There is no equivalence with what Russia has done or is doing with Ukraine.
     
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    Ukraine is killing Russki servicemen and traitorous DPR swine brainwashed and used as bait by FSB,GRU....Ukie govt doesn't control LDPR ....in case you haven't noticed.

    So now you're some legal expert on international law carski?

    Well...Vladolf Putler needs to act now....since he's talked himself into a corner.....Nato/US basically called his ridiculous bluff....now he'll need to find an excuse and console 500k+ dead Russkis mothers when/if he invades.:)
     
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    Just another high IQ post....I'm so blessed to read such brilliance.

    Traitorous DPR (Donetsk People's Republic) swine? Isn't that what the rest of the world calls 'Ukrainians'? Seems to me the swine are those in Kiev that commit genocide against ethnic Russians living on Russian ancestral lands and deny those ethnic Russians their right vote in Ukraine's elections. Seems to me the Kiev side is a pile of :icon_shithappens: bunch of Stepan Bandera nationalists put in place by Hussein Obama. The traitors are the people that toppled the democratically elected government in 2014. Your people.

    What's he invading? The Donetsk People's Republic? Would that be like the US invading Kosovo?

    You admit Kiev doesn't control the Donbass. Russia can roll in and provide protection to its citizens legally pursuant to international laws and norms. It's just that the West doesn't like it when Russia stuffs the international law they created down their own throats.

    And when they roll in, not a shot will be fired. Deal with it.
     
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    But 100,000 men on the border sounds so much more robust.
     
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    Awww,gee, carski.....blowing another gasket?

    Well thanks for the compliment though....I hope it's enlightened you:)).

    No....rest of world doesn't call Ukrainians that....usually Asiatic Mafialand has a shitfit over it.

    Tell me...where are Ukies committing genocide? Kharkiv, Odessa,Mariupol,Kharkov, are Russki speaker areas,carski? Why no upheaval in these places....oh brilliant one?

    Well...Mafialand is present in DPR....and they haven't moved in 8 yrs?....why's that carski?

    Bandera nationalists?....these Potemkinites just can't get over it....so easily triggered.,LOL.

    "Legally pursuant to intl laws"?? You're speaking language moscals don't understand.....what's intl law,carski?

    When tanks roll in?.....they may be met by Javelins and Stingers. Ouch!!:confused:....isn't that what drove Sovs outta Afghanistan is Stingers?:roflol:
     
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    I am not of the culture you speak of.
     
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    Ukraine is flat out not an American border in any kind of remote way. The US already send troops to fight 20 years of Taliban aggression, for absolutely nothing. The US paid dearly over that. Nothing in the US changed when the US was winning there. Nothing in the US changed when they US lost. Ukraine is just the same. It could just simply vanish from the earth and it would have no impact at all for the US. With that said, you talk like a Russian who does everything to make the Americans pay for their aggression... with the twist that it actually does matter for Russia. It's at THEIR border, see.
     
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    The US is not there to fix the fuel problems for Germany. And that pipeline is finished by the way. Build it right under the watchful eyes of Donald with it's core values of America first, where your idea's are not helping with that.
     
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    The closer to Russia, the more votes Yanukovych received. The ethnic Russians live there who are pro Russia. So it's obvious to who he listened to.
     
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    There is still a lot of water between Cuba and the US. While you can just walk across the border in Ukraine. That makes it the same thing with Cuba.
     
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    Only to you & the Putin apologists. The desperation of the excuses is telling.

    It is beyond me why any moral person thinks it is OK for Russia to dominate any nation on its borders but not OK for those nations to seek protection from that. Maybe if Russia was a nation others wanted to emulate they wouldn't be so worried. The only places that want to emulate Russia are third world dictatorships. Apparently aspiring to more than that is not permitted for any nation Russia wants to dominate.
     
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    Your complaint is exactly the same as Russia's--- US/NATO - trying to dominate it on its borders ... becomes a question of who is dominating who .. the geopolitical chessboard becomming far more cloudy.
     
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    Wow! What a terrible argument.

    I don't recall NATO forcing anyone in Eastern Europe to join its alliance or invading and occupying them if they did not. Examples? I believe that if nations choose to join NATO & are accepted they should be allowed to. I also believe that if nations choose to ally themselves with Russia they should be allowed to. Clearly apologists for Putin disagree.

    I also think it is no coincidence that the nations that choose to ally with Russia mostly seem to be dictatorships and the ones that join NATO democracies. What a fascinating correlation. Maybe there is a causality in there somewhere. Maybe nations whose people are allowed to choose their leaders, have a free press etc. mostly don't want Russia as an ally, while nations dominated by single dictators or single parties do. How interesting.
     
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    What is the desperation to just note that western forces are about to march at the Russian borders?

    Well they had a pro Russian democratically elected government until a violent mob supported by the west made those people flee for their lives. Ever since the west accomplished that coup, the ethnic Russians in Ukraine do not want to be governed by their "government". The western governments just aspire to dominate all the countries around Russia, countries who for you and I might as well drop of the face of the earth... and it would have zero impact in our lives. We do end up paying for those political games. We're paying a heck of a lot of money for them games, which has nothing to do with things like America 1st.
     
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    ~ Not to worry. Putin is too pooped to pop .
    This is another show of shows - a conspiracy between Moscow and the bumbling Biden administration to distract and distort the American public while money is moved around. There's even a dossier about it coming out.
     
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    The 'elephant in the room' which you seem hell bent on ignoring is that NATO hasn't actually extended an offer of NATO membership to Ukraine. Sure the current government (and presumably a significant proportion of the population, if not all) would be in favor of the idea but NATO has stated there is no such offer on the table! As in not going to happen for the foreseeable future!

    And given the requirements for NATO or EU membership it's likely to be years before Ukraine meets the levels of institutional an economic reform required to obtain that membership. So basically Putin is reacting to events that might occur 10 or more years from now. And his position apparently is that Russia should have a veto on future NATO membership applications. OK fine, does that mean 'Vlady' is happy to concede to a similar prohibition on any future expansion of Russia's international defense treaty arrangements? Or is it only the corrupt 'West' that has to toe that line? Especially as technically, long after Vlads gone of course in theory there's nothing stopping Russia from applying for NATO membership!
     
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    Not an argument mate ... statement of fact ... Russia arguing US on its borders trying to dominate -- Ukraine arguing Russia on its borders trying to dominate .. Syria complaining Israel is on its borders - trying to dominate .. and bombing it. our good friend El Saud .. not only on the borders of Yemen .. but been waging war on that nation for near 10 years. - think we wer helping El Saud in that one were we not ?

    South China Sea .. what a mess that one is - many nations trying to dominate that and other parts of the Ocean.

    I am just telling you what the board looks like .. Not sure why you are ranting on about Putin Apoligists .. its leading with fallacy and just makes no sense.

    You then ramble on about dicatorships that choose to ally with Russia Who is "Allied" with Russia ? sending it troops and supplies ? Huh ? If you are talking aligned in a general sense - economically and so on - many aligned with Russia are not dictatorships .. but what is the point - "Dictatorship Bad" ? OK .. but this has little to do with the crisis at hand .. and little to do with reality . In a general sense .. "dictatorship" is not always bad.. so this is a question of "how bad is this dictatorship" which is a question of internal not external politics - thus not related to current discussion in any direct way. and you certainly have not made some indirect connection either way ...


    This is just way down the rabbit hole.. "how bad is this dictatorship" -- unrelated to the topic as detailed above - but will humor anyway.

    Which nation is allowed to choose its leader ? .. has a "free press etc." Do the people of Russia not choose their leader ? OK .. elections are a mostly a sham over there it seems - how the votes get counted I don't know - never reviewed Russia's electoral system .. and don't really care for the most part.

    What does concern me however .. is the sham of an electoral process that we have in the US. "Free Press" ? What a joke that one is.. kind of pot calling kettle black exercise ... dreaming of days gone by ... living the 'Necessary Illusion" .. livin the dream man .. which I get:) ... fond memories of days gone by, but this has little to do with reality other than how this necessary illusion impinges on ones assessment of the geopolitical chessboard .. which is alot .. big blunders being made on the basis of that one .. keeping the dream alive .. and much subjugation of rational thought.
     
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    "a conspiracy between Moscow and the bumbling Biden administration
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    Ooh goodie! :applause: Just what the world needs. Another (fact free) conspiracy theory! I await your next chapter with anticipation. The Illuminati and Area 57? The Rosicrucian's and Atlantis? Obama and Stewie Griffin?
     
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    ~ Sounds good to me. Add in a little street hoodlum action and it's ready for prime time news . :aww: :eekeyes:
     
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    Why you say I am "hell bent" on ignoring this elephant .. wasn't really relevant directly - but now that you bring it up. NATO in fact was entertaining NATO membership for Ukraine - shortly after a Pro-Western Leader was "Elected" - with the help of a whole lot of western intervention .. a whole lot of "meddling" in the Ukraine Electoral process .. as the Spooks are so often wont to do .. as this is part of the game of global hegemony.

    Russia's claim that the US/NATO is trying to dominate it on its borders is based on more than just Ukraine - which is the small "elephant" that you seem to be leaving out of the equation it is based on many other Nations over the years .. when Russia moved out .. NATO moved in ... and in some cases put missiles on Russia's borders .. and planning to put more ..
     
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    I'm particularity keen on the potential of the last conspiracy I mentioned! :razz:
     
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    Now why is that you think? You don't see a pattern? Every time Russia 'moves out' the formerly occupied nations rush headlong to the 'West' and start banging on their door. Best analogy? An abused spouse fleeing the home of her abuser at the first available opportunity. And to remind you NATO isn't the one pointing a gun at Ukraine's head and saying 'join us or else'.
     
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    What did the US do in Vietnam?

    What was the US doing in Afghanistan?

    What did the US do to Serbia?

    What was the US doing in Iraq?

    What was the US doing in Libya?

    What is the US doing in Syria?

    What were the Americans doing in Georgia when Georgia attacked South Ossetia? Let me remind you that the attack on Tskhinvali (the capital of South Ossetia) began at 00:06 with the help of missiles, after which the assault with armored vehicles and infantry began. And only at 14:00 Russia entered the war in response to the actions of the Georgian authorities!

    What is the US doing in Ukraine? Are US advisers present there? - Present! What are they doing there? Is Ukraine an ally of the United States? - No!

    What did the US do in Ukraine in 2014? In 2014, President Yanukovych was officially elected. What were the US representatives doing in Kiev? Chechnya? Chechnya is and has been part of Russia! What are the claims against Russia on Chechnya? When the Russians left Chechnya (Ichkeria) in the first war, then the Chechens began to take hostages in Russia, blow up houses in Russia.
    As far as I remember, when the tragedy of September 11 occurred, after that the United States invaded a sovereign country, didn't it? A reason? F#ck the reason!
    Russia has declared war not on Ichkeria (Chechnya), but on terrorists. Which, frankly, were very beneficial to the United States! And you know why? Becase Chechnya has an oil.

    Has Russia annexed Crimea?

    Sevastopol is a Russian military base on the Black Sea. Leave the military base? Hell, NO! It has been Russian for hundreds of years. Moreover, legal.
    More than that Crimea is an autonomy within Ukraine. The autonomy voted to secede from Ukraine. Is it legal? Legally! Did Russia help the rebels in the Donbas? Okay, yes.
    The United States helped everyone (in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Serbia, Georgia and of course Ukraine) - with weapons, instructors, and so on.. What kind of double standards?
     
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    Pattern -- I was the one that just informed you of the pattern .. now you repeat it back and pretend it was your own .. As explained to you .. this is Russia's complaint .. they move out .. Nato moves in. Just a statement of fact .. regardless of what I think about it..
     
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    Ukraine wanted to join the EU. No one was against the fact that they want to go there, moreover, they can want to go there! Has Ukraine joined the EU? No. Russians, to be honest, would be happy if Ukraine joined the EU - too many preferences for Ukraine were given by Russia. Interest-free loans of billions of dollars, gas was sold to Ukraine cheaper than on the domestic market, and so on. But Ukraine as part of NATO is another matter. Is NATO a defensive alliance? Then what is the defensive alliance doing on the border with Russia? Russia does not threaten anyone.
     
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