Florida could shield whites from ‘discomfort’ of racist past

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well lets see what the contributors to critical race theory have to say...

    "Robin DiAngelo, whose website identifies her as a critical race and social justice educator, is one of the most well-known critical race theorists in the U.S. today. Her book White Fragility is a best-seller and she travels the country, giving seminars on race and social justice at churches and universities. In Is Everyone Really Equal? An Introduction to Key Concepts in Social Justice Education, she and co-author Özlem Sensoy, address not just race, but gender, class, sexuality, physical ability, and other identity markers. This book is extremely important for anyone interested in the influence of contemporary critical theory on the secular social justice movement."
    Quotes from Sensoy and DiAngelo’s Is Everyone Really Equal? – Neil Shenvi – Apologetics (shenviapologetics.com)

    "Whiteness refers to the specific dimensions of racism that elevate White people over people of Color. Basic rights, resources, and experiences that are assumed to be shared by all, are actually only available to Whites. Although many Whites feel that being White has no meaning, this feeling is unique to White people and is a key part of what it means to be White; to see one’s race as having no meaning is a privilege only Whites are afforded. To claim to be “just human” and thus outside of race is one of the most powerful and pervasive manifestations of Whiteness." (Is Everyone Really Equal?: An Introduction to Key Concepts in Social Justice Education, by Ozlem Sensoy and Robin DiAngelo, 2012, p. 119).

    So, only white people believe their race has no meaning, claiming to be "just human" is the most pervasive and powerful manifestation of whiteness, which refers to the specific dimension of racism that elevates white people over people of color.

    Boiling it down just a little bit more:

    Believing we are just human and race has no meaning = whiteness = racism that elevates white people above colored people.

    Please describe to me how this is not batshit insane.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Jim Crow said that quite simply you couldn't get a good job if you were black, noway, nohow. It didn't matter how smart you were, you were seen as mildly "retarded", In fact more than mildly for the most part. And if you ever tried to say you weren't. or even let slip that you might have known something more than how to take rudimentary instructions, then you were being "uppity" and might very well be lynched. In any case lynching could happen for just about any reason, anytime, including the fact that there wasn't anything else to do that day. In many parts ot the Deep South it was like living in a Nazi Death camp. but without the chambers and the crematoria 24/7 and for all your life.
     
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    Well first of all: Many, as in... not all.

    And it's not batshit insane. The idea is that when a white person sees an other white person, it views it as just an other person.
    And when a white person sees a black or asian person, it views it as just an other person who is black or asian.
    A black person would also see an other black person as an other person who is black. Same with Asians and Jews.....
    according to the author.

    If it is indeed so, why must it be censured that it works like that for white people?
     
  4. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, NOT 'according to the author.' The author said "this feeling is unique to White people and is a key part of what it means to be White" and "elevate(s) White people over people of Color"

    so please try again.
     
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  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Uh...if I try to tell most of the white racists here that race is a "social construct" I get just about exactly the same reaction.

    Ever hear the old saying about dishing it out and taking?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    try using the word 'ethnicityist' instead
     
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    Of course it's according to the author. You even say yourself what (s)he mentions about it.
    And what you put in quotations is rather on par with how I explained it in my previous post.
    So please try again.
     
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    Read my post again it you wonder what I said.

    Is your country criminalizing speech to protect your feelings?

    Now all corporations operating in Florida have to review and revise their material to make sure it won't hurt anyone's feelings, and even then people will still claim it hurt their feelings and take them to court. Totally unnecessary snow-flakery.
     
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    Dont so eagerly lap up the shiite they spoon feed you. The statute says

    “An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex. An individual should not be made to feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race.”
     
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    Where in the bill does it make it a crime?
     
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    OMG. You probably hadn't even heard of CRT a year ago, and you're an expert holding forth to a history teacher. :roll: :roll:
    I paid my dues dealing with the reality of obnoxious rightwing extremists by organizing the teachers' union in my district to oust the seven-member school board in a conservative community of 150,000 and replacing them with normal conservatives. Result? We knocked off the entire school board.
    So what? CRT is not taught in public schools, nor is CRT ideology pervasive in looking at race.
    Materials like the bingo card have been around since I started teaching. If you knew more about teaching, you'd know what the real problem is with such materials.
    "Not needed" says the conclusion seeking premises. Only a committed ideologue could look at the information below and not see a problem.

    upload_2022-1-25_7-2-2.jpeg

    How is that direction supposed to work when schools have extremely flat organizations?
    Low pay is widespread (see above).
    Typical Trumper nonsense of making stuff up.
    Presumably, the conferences you watch are your own, so you would know how aggressive you were ten years ago.

    If a parent had said they were going to try to get me fired (it never happened in 30+ years), I would end the parent-teacher conference. Any future discussion with the parent would be witnessed by at least one union representative and most likely by a school administrator. What you think would happen if you made a similar threat at Costco or Walmart? You would no doubt be told that your input would be considered, but you would be reminded that the company makes employment decisions.
     
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    Your posting doesn't reflect that but sure, OK. You make up whoever you want to be.
     
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    The Teachers Union disagrees


    2. Supporting and leading campaigns that:
    • Result in increasing the implementation of culturally responsive education, critical race theory, and ethnic (Native people, Asian, Black, Latin(o/a/x), Middle Eastern, North African, and Pacific Islander) Studies curriculum in pre- K-12 and higher education;......
    C. Publicly (through existing media) convey its support for the accurate and honest teaching of social studies topics, including truthful and age-appropriate accountings of unpleasant aspects of American history, such as slavery, and the oppression and discrimination of Indigenous, Black, Brown, and other peoples of color, as well as the continued impact this history has on our current society. The Association will further convey that in teaching these topics, it is reasonable and appropriate for curriculum to be informed by academic frameworks for understanding and interpreting the impact of the past on current society, including critical race theory.

    E. Conduct a virtual listening tour that will educate members on the tools and resources needed to defend honesty in education including but not limited to tools like CRT.

    F. Commit President Becky Pringle to make public statements across all lines of media that support racial honesty in education including but not limited to critical race theory.

    "Join with Black Lives Matter at School and the Zinn Education Project to call for a rally this year on October 14—George Floyd’s birthday—as a national day of action to teach lessons about structural racism and oppression—even in places where it is illegal and requires civil disobedience."

    Business Items - 2021 NEA Annual Meeting (archive.org)
     
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    Do you believe only white people can "claim to be “just human” and thus outside of race"?
     
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    Huge win. Just like the Covid response, where Florida has had one of the highest per capita infection rate. Wow, great job.
     
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    Where in the bill does it make it a crime?
     
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    You're back to the NEA activists who push leftwing stuff at national teachers' unions meetings in much the same way activists put stuff in Republican and Democratic party platforms. It's noise. Can you mislead people about the actual position of the NEA? Sure. There are plenty of folks it's easy to dupe.

    The lefties are frustrated they can't get the NEA President to play Charlie McCarthy to their Edgar Bergen (see above). This should bring a smile to your face.
     
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    Your 107 followers appears to have gone to your head. :( :(
     
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    I have followers?
     
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    107 people signed up for your newsletter. I can't imagine why.
     
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    Any sane, decent person should be able to agree with the below. Perhaps you're not one of them.

    "An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex. An individual should not be made to feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race."
    https://apnews.com/article/business...AP&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow
     
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    I'm not the subject. And you're not responding to my comment about this phenomena.... and my question why this must be censured.
     
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    Whatever you say. Its the government imposed censorship people have an issue with (not you, obviously). The more we involve the government in policing our behavior and speech the worse off we are. Conservatives, libertarians and even liberals agree with that, which leaves only the populist pseudo-conservatives who support such government involvement. I do not need the government to shield me from feeling "uncomfortable" because I have to take a diversity class at work. Such classes are a nuisance, but that's all they are.

    Now, of course, anyone can sue any corporation and claim they felt "uncomfortable" by something. Dealing with this kind of nonsense is a burden the private sector does not need. Why are they heaping all these new laws and regulations on their shoulders?


    Now, if this is not woke snowflake talk, then I don't know what it.

    "feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress......."
     
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    Its not activist, it is by vote of the teachers union
     
  25. chris155au

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    What the hell does any of this have to do with the bill?
     
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