A question for Agnostics about Elves

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by edna kawabata, Jan 22, 2022.

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I am agnostic on the existence of elves

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    There are more options than just creationism or the Big Bang. And, no, the Big Bang and creationism are not equal when it comes to evidence. And theists attack atheists all of the time, and in exactly the same ways.
     
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    I really don't know much about Iceland politics. Maybe it works? :D
     
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    My wife and I went there for Christmas a few years ago. Just an amazing place. My grandma believed in that angels visited her backyard. I don't really see how belief in elves is any different.
     
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    I think most cultures have had some kind of "small folk" or nature spirits, but the categorizations get really complicated. I don't think that, historically, there was much of a distinction between such spirits. A lot of what we consider to be "fairy" lore comes from Celtic culture, whereas elves are more Germanic. They often weren't all that tiny either, and were sometimes portrayed as a the same size as humans. I was about to say that Germanic tribes would never go anywhere barefoot, but supposedly they did while invading the British Isles, and the reason why the thistle is a popular symbol in Scotland is because one of the Vikings cried out in pain when stepping on one and alerted the Scottish camp to the nighttime invasion.
     
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    The Big Bang is all about faith
     
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    I am 'agnostic', as long as the definition hasn't changed last I checked.

    I don't question the possibility that elves exist. I say neither aye or nay until I have proof one way or another.

    I have experienced a number of events that answered other unusual questions for me, so I don't doubt I may experience something that would answer this question. Life is full of surprises, enjoy them to the max!
     
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    There is physical evidence of the Big Bang. And, again, it isn't the only non-theistic option. Nor does it preclude theism.
     
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    The ultimate truth of reality is probably stranger than any of us could ever guess.
     
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    I can neither prove nor disprove that elves exist but due to the lack of evidence that they exist I live my life as though they don’t exist. I am an agnostic atheist about elves.
     
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  10. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    The OP is about agnosticism, not believers, and saying pseudo-science and science are equal is nonsense. Plenty of theists accept the science behind Big Bang Theory.
     
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    Plenty of people don’t. The Big Bang is baseless and nothing more than a belief. Two rocks came from absolutely nowhere… hit each other, then somehow made the gasses to create amino acids , then magically created rna then later DNA. All from two rocks. That’s absolutely laughable.

    Go slap rocks together all you want. You will never create life. Life is the only evidence we need to prove divine intervention. Until science can make life out of nothing the notion of atheism is absurd
     
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    Good point!
    I will remember!
     
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    Have you seriously not even spent 2 minutes researching the Big Bang? You haven't come remotely close to describing it. I know middle schoolers who can do better . . . hell, a random word generator might be able to do better. And the rest of your "proof" is just a very bad argument from ignorance. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad.
     
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    Could, no matter how unlikely? Count me in.
     
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    Are you serious? I have not yet heard of atheists launching inquisitions or crusades or witch trials in which believers are to be murdered specifically for their beliefs. Nor have I heard many (if any) atheists declare that believers deserve eternal torment for their beliefs. I have heard of plenty of that from believers towards infidels, heretics, and atheists though.

    That's not true. You don't have to believe in either. And the big Bang is a theory that is probably wrong in at least some ways. It is the best guess people have come up with so far. It is not absolute revealed truth.
     
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    Stalin and how he treated Orthodox priests and believers doesn’t come to mind at all?
     
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    Didn't come to mind, no. But I do appreciate how you dodge your own claim and turn that around. Well played.
     
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    That's NOT true. How do you explain the Tooth Fairy? I suppose parents just take their kids' teeth and leave money. Yeah, right! ;-)

    Here's proof!

    12png_tooth-fairy-elf-flower-fairies-supernatural-creature.png
     
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    true, and it one of those extremely inconvenient truths that neoatheists sweep under the carpet.
    True again!
    Yes very true!
    Hmm... you failed to go 10 rounds with me about the curved space stupidity, you failed to go 10 rounds with me about the holocaust, you failed to go 10 rounds with me about atheists, think you can go 10 rounds with me about the big bang? LMAO :roll::lol:
    Like Joe said, its nothing more than atheist 'faith'
     
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    Of course not, that post exemplifies the typical propaganda pushing neoatheist in denial of any/all inconvenient truths! Stalin 20 million and lets not forget Mao Zedong around 45million!

    True Agnostics, not the fake versions out here, on the other hand have a perfect track record :angel:
     
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    I've addressed your physics denialism. I've addressed your Holocaust denialism. You never engaged. But if you want to admit that this position of yours is just as unhinged as your other denialisms, then have at it.
     
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  23. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    That sounds like hope. You are willing to wait for an imagined entity that can break natural laws to appear, although since the beginning of recorded time that has not happened? Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
     
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    What's possible and what's probable are two very different questions. Yes, the incredibly unlikely is still possible. Gods, elves, ghosts, etc COULD exist. I just see zero reason to think they do, so I am atheist/agnostic. I don't wait for them.

    I don't believe they exist. I believe they don't. But it isn't possible to know for sure because they are unfalsifiable claims (magic).
     
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    Atheists don't travel to the far ends of the universe looking for the god they say doesn't exist. I won't go to Iceland looking for the elves I don't believe in.
    Does anyone go to Hell for not believing in elves?
     

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