Republicans lied about the need for a Jan. 6 commission

Repubs who squawk about the 1/6 committee only reveal their highly partisan nature
by asserting 1/6 is 'partisan'. Naturally they'd feel that way, most of the persons being interviewed and investigated, including a few criminal referrals a long the way, are Republican.

Does that mean 1/6 is partisan by virtue of this fact?

No, because, explain how it can be avoided? There is no way, given the fact that 1/6 was a republican result. Any argument that says 'there is nothing to see here' is beyond absurd. There's a lot to see here and find out, as we are seeing every week in this investigation, and more has yet to be revealed. Even McConnell is curious about what the 1/6 committee will ultimately discover. Methinks we can make an educated guess.

And no, no conspiracy theories about FBI false flag ops has even come close to being proven.

Ahh, I often hear from Repubs the idea the 1/6 committee has 'no legislative purpose'. Well, it's LP is in the resolution document establishing the committee, not to mention two federal judges have explained a number of legislative areas the 1/6 committees could explore and validated the committee. Oh, and the argument that the charter disallows the committee from writing legislation. That's a non issue, because the committee is there on a fact finding mission, who, in turn, will make reports to Congress, who, in turn, will propose legislation, or improve existing legislation.

And what about the 'criminal' argument, that the committee is a de facto criminal investigation? This is nonsense. In the journey to uncover facts, it's inevitable that crimes will be uncovered and that the committee might, at its discretion, make criminal referrals, and that is true of all committee investigations -- so that is a not a valid counter argument.

As for the argument that the FBI should be investigating this, well, they are, indeed, investigating it, or it is a safe presumption, but, in true FBI fashion, they are tight lipped about it. Given the heavily politicized atmosphere surrounding Comey and his announcing of investigations and the backlash he experience, it is no wonder why the FBI is not quick to divulge what it is investigating.

Does Pelosi's rejection of McCarthy's selections for the committee prove it is partisan?

Actually, it proves the opposite. How so? Because McCarthy's selections were individuals who, in past select committee assignments, showed that their only intent was to make a circus out of the proceedings. When the rubber hits the road, there were only two who would not fall into this category, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger. The point is, every attempt to keep the committee on the straight and narrow has been done. It couldn't be any more partisan-less than it is, because non-partisan Republicans, most of whom have fallen prey to Trumpism, are a rare breed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ission-there-was-lot-it-could-have-uncovered/

Opinion: Republicans lied about the need for a Jan. 6 commission. There is a lot it already uncovered.

It’s never a good look to make assurances that there is nothing to find out about a secret plot to overturn an election. But McConnell’s statement was also absurdly wrong. It is hard to recount all that we have learned from the House select committee’s investigation on Jan. 6. Thanks to the committee’s work, for example, we discovered:

• The president and assistant attorney general Jeffrey Clark schemed to involve the Justice Department in a plot to invalidate the election;
• An executive order was drafted to allow the federal government to seize voting machines;
• Seven states put forth fake slates of electors;
• Then-President Donald Trump was reportedly in contact with a team led by Rudolph W. Giuliani, John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn and Stephen K. Bannon, who set up a post at the Willard hotel working to delay certification of electoral votes; and
• Republican members of Congress sent texts to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows concerning the plan to engage the Justice Department or to prevent Congress from counting the electoral votes.

 

Is this a joke?

 

McTreason has hedged his position. https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...s-his-tune-about-jan-6-investigation-n1286683

I think he'd love to rid the party of Trump. But he's a pragmatist who knows The Following is still slavishly devoted to the orange blowhard.

 

LOL! We can combine the 1/6 commission with the Leprechaun commission. They both are looking into myths.

 

I am not a Republican, Democrat or belong to any phony political party and IMO the entire US government is a corrupt entity far from the one envisoned and created by the founders. That said any fool with a reasonably operating brain KNOWS 1/6 was an attempted coup spearheaded by the demented pathological narcissist Donald Trump. This coup attempt was set in motion well before 1/6 and still continues today.

 

Great, well reasoned OP.

Touché!

 

I'm kind of disappointed by the partisanship of the commission to be honest with you. I feel like I'm being robbed of some pretty entertaining arguments. Really though I don't see how anyone should expect a break into the capital would not get a congressional investigation.

 

Please explain, precisely, how the finding of facts is partisan?

The 1/6's committee's functions are clearly explained in the establishing resolution, and, as such, they pose no duty to 'entertain', so I don't quite see what you mean by this.

Good, that's correct.

 

The Jan 6 committee is nothing more than a partisan witch hunt. Finding of facts is not partisan. Using those facts to further the democrat party is very partisan. There is zero reason for congress to investigate when the FBI can do it better.

 

Oh not the findings the membership. I know they don't have any duty to entertain, but it's not like they're going to accomplish anything so if they're not entertaining anybody they're just kind of bloviating.

I mean really I don't have any problem with there being a commission or what they are doing. I'd just love to see like Louie Gohmert cross examine Alex Jones.

"Hello Mr. Jones thank you for coming for my first question I'd just like to know why are you so brave?"

"Well great question Louie.. I have a lot of guns."

"Let the record show that lots of guns makes you a brave strong American that oozes machismo"

"Why thank you congressman. "

 

Evidence, please.

It's fairly safe to presume that the FBI is conducting it's own investigation, both bodies have different objectives.

There is every reason for congress to investigate.

If Congress cannot investigate an attack on it's own Capitol, what can it investigate?

What is 'zero' here is your logic.

 

They've interviewed hundreds of people, more to come. At the end of it, a report to congress will be made.
Not quite sure you know or understand the scope of the investigation, what it is supposed to be doing.

You'll need to be more specific, your statement has a 'rant' quality, and rants are rarely accurate.

Glad to to hear it.

Gohmert is not on the committee ( good thing).
Yes, that might be entertaining, but being entertaining has no value in the investigation.

Ditto, above. I'm getting the idea that you think a circus atmosphere would be better for America than what it is now.

 

What is it that congress can do that the FBI cannot do? That is all the evidence that is required. Having a democratic congress do it is political by its very nature.

 

Close, I think the entirety of American politics, and governance is already a circus atmosphere. So might as well be a good one.

They'll interview people. They may even charge a couple people, but the participants are already being charged by the DOJ, and nothing they find is going to address any of the causes. It's a feel good thing.

 

I think the repubs find that turning it into a circus would be to their advantage, and the democrats are trying to preempt any such attempts.

However, don't you think that your sentiment, which doesn't square with my view, is a bit overly cynical?

both agencies have different objectives. FBI looks for crimes, if they find it, they refer to prosecutors, and the Congress looks for whys and hows, and if they find crimes in pursuit of whys and hows, they refer it to DOJ who, if they concur, will refer it to prosecutors.

It all comes out in the wash, and everything is as it should be, pretty much.

 

Investigate the Whys and Hows and make a report to congress for the purpose of making legislation or improving existing legislation. FBI purpose is merely to find crimes and refer them DOJ for prosecution. which is much narrower. function.

Yes, legislation is politics, brilliant observation there, Kriman, however, unlike your implication, if Congress is doing it's job, the legislation should not, cannot, and will not, favor one party over the other.

But, of course, you'll disagree with that point, which is a partisan view.

 

Curious. I didn't see any evidence on your opinion that the commission is not partisan. It is nothing but partisan.

 

There is not a single thing that congress can do that the FBI cannot do better. The FBI investigates Whys and Hows in just about every one of their investigations.

It is a political circus.

 

The committee is an exact rerun with the same players for the very same charge...

2nd impeachment 2021
ARTICLE I: INCITEMENT OF INSURRECTION
house roll call
Roll Call 17 | Bill Number: H. Res. 24
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202117

The Jan. 6 committee members.
Democrats
Bennie Thompson-yea
Zoe Lofgren-yea
Adam Schiff-yea
Jamie Raskin-yea
Pete Aguilar-yea
Stephanie Murphy-yea
Elaine Luria-yea
Rinos
Liz Cheney-yea
Adam Kinzinger-yea

The FBI already have... This committee is a third try at "finding" insurrection... This committee is the very same people looking at the very same charges and they ALL have already voted to impeach Trump once for this.

""The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result,""

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex...ol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

Anything related to "legislation" which includes the subpoenas also.. The best they can do with the "crime" they invent is write a report and send it back to the DOJ... who has already done an investigation. What a hoot... ""Here ya go FBI, this is what you missed in your investigation""

What is 'zero' here is your lack of facts.

This January 6 would not have happened were it not for the lack of planning and providing the need security for the size of the anticipated crowd by the CP and the overseer Pelosi and her ilk... January 6 did not need to happen.. It was their job to provide security, not Trump. They failed, no excuse. The Democrats are the ones who lied about the need for a Jan. 6 commission and to investigate the security failures that day

 

Horse twaddle.

You cannot conflate the impeachment with the investigation, they are two different actions, as both actions were warranted, for different objectives.

You haven't proven anything other than your inability to understand what constitutes 'evidence'.

Moreover, FBI's not finding 'plot' doesn't mean that Trump's actions did not contribute to it, and whether or not his actions did or didn't, that is for congress to discover.

1/6 is not about finding anything other than facts, and the facts will lead them to wherever it will lead them.

Even if the police were successful at preventing the breach, the attempt would have still occurred, and all the schemes
on the part of Trump that led to it would still warrant the 1/6 committee.

Epic fail.

 

That sounds like a job for professionals like the FBI.

 

Its partisan because when the republicans tried to put people on the committee to add more perspective and investigate all avenues, the Democrats balked and refused the republicans to be on the committee. The people on the committee, even the two republicans were all picked by democrats.

 

So you believe this group was equipped to seize control of our country armed with a fuzzy hat with horns and sticks? Worst coup ever.

 

Let me clean up this long winded post for ya.
Its partisan when Pelosi will only allow the republicans that think like she does on the committee.
She doesn't want ANYONE who has a different opinion as it would shut down this idiotic committee for lack of anything to prove.

A lie always needs paragraphs of information to assume when the truth only needs one sentence.

 

""You cannot conflate the impeachment with the investigation, they are two different actions, as both actions were warranted, for different objectives.""

they are exactly the same with the same players involved in both...