If you have covid you are on your own. The experts cannot be trusted.

Discussion in 'Coronavirus (COVID-19) News' started by Ray9, Jan 21, 2022.

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I'm not sure that's going to work. They can insist on their definition it doesn't change it
    This is really just the publishers of dictionaries forgetting their place. Dictionaries were always and still are descriptive. If they give the wrong description they are useless. What defines words is usage. Don't call it a vaccine it isn't.
    I see it as efficacies that one had value damaging their reputation for the sake of politics.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Oddly Soviet of you. The USSR labeled the science that suggested the severity of Chernobyl correctly as disinformation.

    People only use that term to poison the well.
     
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    Death is part of life. If you are close to end of life then you probably lived through the times when drugs were legal and love was free. You smoked cigarettes in buildings and airplanes, used lead in pipes, and even in paint and gas. Why should I sacrifice the quality of my life? Over keeping you alive? What’s next - pay for hooking you up to a machine that will maximize your biological life?
    Death is inevitable and the society cannot be kept in a perpetual state of mass hysteria over a virus that kills mostly elderly.
     
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    Yes a politican admitting they screwed up, that’s what you want me to find. The answer in short is no because on phone and drunk and need to get drunker to stop feeling pain. So the answer to your question is… yeah basically nursing home deaths then add in a lot more. And that’s the problem in a nutshell.
     
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    You're a fan of medical science right?

    It's an undebatable fact that people live longer if they maintain a reasonable weight.

    An entire host of medical conditions can easily be avoided that way.

    But no, we the taxpayer bears the cost
     
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    With the exception of the nursing home cover up, everything that we have seen indicates that they are vastly over counting covid deaths.

    For several reasons, Chief amongst them there's big money in this pandemic to be made.

    And also we have to keep people afraid keep them in a perpetual state of fear and anxiety, you know some things to worry about in your spare time.

    Only the government can save you believe in the science!!!
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    No, but you might be willing not to clog up our hospitals to spare the feelings of a con man you literally worship because you and he hate the same people.

    ( Drugs haven't been legal for well over a hundred years. Love was never free.)
     
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    I was hospitalized after a very bad truck accident in 1994. The hospital administered a relatively new drug in large doses, being approved by the FDA it should have been safe. 5 years later the FDA issued a black box warning as it caused a lot of people to have their tendons become brittle. Mine did. What will the vaccinated do 5 or even 10 years from now if some nasty side effects show up?
     
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    ~ I hope you keep a few cats ... I have a few extra if you would like to adopt.

    ~ That is Jen Psaki circle talk ... :bonk: It's all there !

    ~ That is about right for yearly deaths from the flu . Remember the flu ... ?
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    giphy.gif It's that time again ...
     
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    if you get covid and are vaccinated, your immune system has been trained to fight covid, but it's still up to your immune systems, the vaccine doesn't fight covid. it only trains your immune system to fight covid when you get covid

    if you're exposed to covid over and over, you may win every battle, but still lose one eventually
     
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    So what good is it? If you get covered and you are unvaccinated and your immune system successfully fights It off.... Without the vaccine... So what exactly is the vaccine supposed to accomplish?
     
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    if you want to go into battle unprepared, that is up to you, do you think we should train our military for battle even though they may lose sometimes

    if you have a compromised immune system due to Illness or stress, you could still lose the battle, even if you won the battle dozens of times previously

    the vaccine increases the odds of you winning, it's not a silver bullet, it's still up to you to fight the battle
     
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    I'll take my chances.
    Of course no doctor whatever admit it but I feel certain that if it did not give my girlfriend cancer at the very least it triggered a cancer.
     
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    Don't do that. Cats love their owners as much as any animal. It's not like a dog, since they are solitary hunters; but they're very maternal in a global sense so they see you as both their kitten and their mother. Additionally, they're very territorial, so take a proprietary interest in you.

    And you're warm.
     
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  16. Ray9

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    The problem with everything that is going on today is that you can't just mind your own business and let it play out. That is what I was doing, and I got Covid. I'm 75 but in good shape. You can't just blindly trust experts because experts have no more idea what's happening than the rest of us. This reminds me of Stephen King's book, Four Past Midnight and his Langoliers. You can sit in your basement eating potato chips and hoping to wait it out but there is no escape. You cannot hide from something not much bigger than an atom. It will find you like it found me. Now they are saying that having it conveys no immunity from getting it again. How many times can you get it before it takes you out?

    The science we rely on to save us is corrupted with greed and that is a real problem. If we do not fix this, then perhaps we deserve our fates. I think science will succeed with therapeutics, but many will fall first.
     
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    this is true to some extent, every new variant is just that... new

    the vaccine targets the spikes as they are the least likely to change and they are the keys for the virus to get into the cells, so far so good, but no one knows what the next variant will bring

    hope you have recovered from the virus, I have known people that have barely noticed they had it and some sick for over a month, not fun
     
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    An excellent post in favor of Double Speak, Junkie. Thanks for showing us that words can mean whatever the government says they mean. We can all throw away our dictionaries in your world. :lol:
     
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    There has been a “war” on natural infection immunity since the pandemic began. Don’t listen to the media or clowns on PF that parrot the media. Even the CDC has finally had to admit natural infection has advantages to vaccination.

    I’ve been explaining why this is the case for months. Here is one post that kind of rolls all the actual science together showing why natural infection is in many ways superior to vaccination alone.

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1073144931/

    Another aspect of immunity mostly overlooked by media and politicians is cellular immunity. Even after antibodies that protect from infection fade (after both vaccination and natural infection, but much faster fade with vaccination) the protection from severe disease by memory B and T cells remains. This means if you have recovered from Covid and are reinfected your chance of poor outcome is significantly lower. Each subsequent reinfection will provide better immunity so later infections will be milder. This is the actual science. The problem is with media and politicians either lying by giving disinformation or by lies of omission.

    Being in good shape was a huge advantage for you. Exercise, diet, proper weight and sufficient sleep/lack of stress are VERY effective at preventing infection and poor outcomes. Stay fit and with your very good natural immunity the odds are very much in your favor.
     
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    I got it from someone who was symptomatic showing up at a work christmas dinner that was literally the first time I had eaten out or attended a stranger danger social function in two years and I was triple jabbed at the time. I know someone double jabbed who got it from a vaxed and boosted house guest from out of town. We both just had really bad migraines. I also knew someone triple jabbed who died from COVID. Results vary. There have always been outlying results/cases with this thing. The democrats pushing their Yay Biden/Boo Trump propaganda have ignored that science as much as the rabid antivax crowd.

    I find your HIV reference interesting though. The flat earth progressives absolutely rejected ANY comparison to HIV/AIDS and COVID. Probably because they wanted to make sure we were doomed to make the same mistake this time too. Only difference in the partisan polarization is that HIV was God's wrath on sinning butt sexers, addicts, and prostitutes in the 80's, and this time the unholy victims were OMG red state Trump supporters!!!! They undermined all efforts to educate the public and build public confidence with their illogical emotional screams.
     
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    Leftist memes are just not clever nor funny at all... The political left cannot meme, and this is further QED of that.

    The reason is largely because funny memes require at least an element of truth to them, and leftist memes don't have that.
     
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    Fauci, CDC, Biden, state/local health departments, etc.

    I am not taking advice from any of them, as they have all proven themselves to be science-denying morons.

    Who is this?

    Many so called "experts" (see my list above) have actually been acting as if "EVERYBODY" (who is "unvaccinated", of course, which now means anyone who hasn't received three shots) is dying from covid... we must be up to almost 900K deaths by now, eh??

    If so, then they're doing a piss poor job of that and are not providing health advice that would accomplish that. --- Firing a bunch of unvaccinated hospital workers simply because they refuse to get vaccinated does not help with that issue either.

    Which ones?? Only the ones that agree with your fervently held dogma, right?? Is Dr Malone an "expert"? Is Dr Tenpenny an "expert"? Of course not, since they don't agree with you...
     
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    It's nothing more than Russian Roulette to take any medication that hasn't been through the 10 - 20 year industry standard long term testing. Notice how new pills are coming out all the time?
     
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    Hundreds of hospitals across the country closed after Obama Care took effect, and these are the network of people we are supposed to trust with our lives?
     
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    Go find a report about Covid from CNN or ABC or CBS that isn’t brought to you by Pfizer. It’s almost comical.
     
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