Texas has more than double New York's unvaccinated, but fewer COVID deaths

"Just take out most of NY's deaths and NY is actually doing better"

Please don't tell me that you're being serious...

 

He did bring up a REALLY good point about how far off from reality liberals are compared to conservatives, namely with a number of COVID related statistics.

 

I’ve rarely been wrong on Covid statistics/comparisons, and the reason why; Because my analyses and conclusions have been impartial.

For example;

On January 10, 2022, Rueters tallied up the number of in-patients WITH Covid at 134,000

Note; I already knew our national number of in-patients who were currently hospitalized DUE TO COVID, thus, I told/explain a Democrat who posted Rueter’s record high number “NOT YET a record high, and here’s why......”

Also, Republicans recently went on a “We were misled” rampage over the following claim;

CDC Walensky; ”In some hospitals we’ve contacted, up to 40% of in-patients who tested positive were hospitalized for other reasons than Covid”

My response; Intelligent people are rarely misled.

 

~ Bill Maher ain't as stupid as he looks ...

 

Anyone?

 

Back in March of 2020, everyone was able to study world-wide Covid case studies of dire hospitalizations and death from Covid and conclude that the most at risk from Alpha Covid, er, later to be confirmed all strains of Covid were the elderly and those with multiple co-morbidities. Did the world epidemiological community follow up on that early March 2020 compilation of data? Nah. The epidemiological community didn't discourage leaders from quarantining the most susceptible to Covid with the not-so-susceptible to Covid and the epidemiological community didn't discourage leaders from quarantining the Covid-sick with the non-Covid-sick. A scientific mind isn't necessary to conclude these two types of quarantines that were allowed, er, not advised by epidemiological 'experts' were devastating to those most at risk from Covid infection...While at the same time, epidemiological 'experts' didn't acknowledge and recommend by studying world-wide dire hospitalization and death from Covid case histories that certain groups weren't susceptible to Covid at all and shouldn't be quarantined...Allowing the non-quarantine of just those not highly susceptible to Covid wouldn't saved a lot of counties' economies. In my estimation, about 75% of the population isn't highly susceptible to Covid infection. Let alone, allowing the non-quarantine of those not highly susceptible to Covid would've saved a lot of countries' mental and social devastation caused by indiscriminate Covid lockdowns. IMO, epidemiological 'experts' should've consulted experts in the fields of economics, psychology and sociology before implementing their Covid prevention plans since epidemiological Covid prevention plans affected the economy, the psychology and the sociology of nations.
Covid prevention plans didn't consult experts in the fields the prevention plans affected.

 

So what are the stats on testing rates in Texas compared to other States including postmortem testing? Just asking out of curiosity.

 

And now, the other side of the coin;

July 19, 2021........DeSantis publicly declared; “The name of the game is to keep people out of hospitals”

Since the beginning of the pandemic, that was the most powerful mission statement I’ve heard, and it leads to one simple question; HOW?

Next, what are the main reasons why we should focus on keeping people out of hospitals?

1. To prevent overwhelming hospitals, and maintain essential health care services, such as “elective surgeries”.

2. TO SAVE LIVES

Next, the question is; HOW?

What I would do;

STEP # 1. Discuss and select the best prevention strategies and measures.

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Mr. cabse5/critical thinker, so far, do all of the above makes sense to you?

 

Let’s continue,

Discuss and select the best prevention strategies and measures

I would certainly select the following strategies;

Strategy # 1. Protect the most vulnerable

........Identify the most vulnerable groups

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.........Prevention Measures;

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Strategy # 2. Project yourself and others

.......Identify ways/methods that would prevent/lower the spread of infections.

........Prevention measures;

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Strategy # 3; Public Safety

.......Identify social, and cultural events that may/would increase the spread of infections.

Prevention measures;

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Strategy # 4; Travelling to/from high risk regions

.......Identify high risk regions

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.......Prevention measures;

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Strategy # 5; Corporate support

........identify ways/methods to protect both employees and customers

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Strategy # 6; Logistics

.......identify existing and needed resources to;

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Mr. cabse5, so far, do my prevention strategies makes sense to you?

Note; I have yet to discuss Prevention measures

 

While everyone is discussing vaccines and politics, the main factor in Covid deaths is existing illness. No matter your political beliefs or where you live, take the damn fork out of your mouth and get some exercise. Put down your government subsidized sweetened beverages and drink some water.

 

What!! Americans have god given rights you know. Besides the 'science' on healthy living is all fake. It' just driven by left wing to try and assert control over people.

 

The letter by their name doesn't matter. Its my body and I am an expert. For many, its too late and the vaccine is their best chance of living long enough to die from their existing conditions.

 

According to CDC COVID Data Tracker, looking at COVID deaths in the last 7 days per 100k population, the numbers are as follows:
(for some weird reason they separate NYC from the rest of the state)

NYC = 10.1
(the rest of) New York = 5.3
Texas = 3
California = 2
Florida = 0.6

WTF New York?

NYC is actually leading the nation in COVID deaths per capita over the last 7 days. Here's the top 10:

New York City 10.1
Ohio 9.1
Indiana 7.8
New Jersey 7.5
Illinois 7.2
Pennsylvania 7.2
Massachusetts 6.7
Missouri 6.7
Maryland 6.4
Rhode Island 6.1

 

The pandemic comes in surges

 

NYC also has the highest COVID death rate per capita (by a lot) when looking at the CDC's data "since January 21, 2020" (over essentially the entirety of the pandemic).

That's a long-ass "surge" for NYC.

 

Again, it's been demonstrated via two years of observation, that density alone is not a factor in high numbers. Dense Asian cities haven't had it nearly as bad.

The conclusion is that behaviour is a stronger factor than density. We've seen very densely populated cities like Taipei, Singapore, Tokyo, and Saigon - with far less virus than cities in India, Europe, and the US.

 

NYC population Density; 27,000 per sq mile
Brooklyn County; 38,634
Kings; 36,726
Manhattan; 74,780
New York County; 71,580
Queens County: 22,124
Bronx County; 35,000


Houston population density; 3,630 per sq mile
Harris County; 2,302

 

I think the point you're trying to make is that not living in a dense city like NYC is much better protection from COVID than the vaccine. Am I understanding that right?

 

What I understand is everytime I’ve compared the U.S. and Canada’s number of Covid deaths per 1M pop, here was the immediate response I’ve received from Republicans;

“U.S. and Canada 9 to 1 Population Density Ratio, thus, no wonder”

 

So were you trying to offer supporting evidence of that "population density matters most" theory with post #67, or trying to refute it? In other words, do you agree with those respondents that told you "U.S. and Canada 9 to 1 Population Density Ratio, thus, no wonder", or do you disagree with them?

 

I agree with them, however, there are 100+ more negative/positive factors to consider, therefore, among nations and states, Covid statistics are rationally incomparable, for example;

Compared to the U.S., Canada had;

No nation-wide protests
No political rallies
No testing kit/contact tracing phook ups
No Memorial long weekend
No re-openings at a high positivity rate

In the U.S., all of the above increased Covid’s positivity rates, cases, Hospitalizations, and deaths

 

In addition.......

I haven’t compared the U.S. and Canada Covid statistics for the sake of comparing....I’ve compared the two because I anticipated Republicans would play their population density card.

And then, use their rationale against them.

Thus, what about NY and Texas 4 to 1 population density ratio?

 

I’m not too sure how pandemic modellers take into account human science

For example, in 2020, the first 5 confirmed cases of North Dakota’s Fall/Winter Covid Surge were Travellers.

And where I live, there’s no Miami nightlife.

 

They watch what happens in different demographics. They factor in differences in health profiles too, but they also look at behaviours.

There's a clear link between the behaviour of those living in dense Asian cities and their lower levels of virus in the community. Urban Asians spend more time outdoors than Americans, for example. Even in the colder locations, where the climate is similar to (or even much colder than) your northern and inland areas, they still spend more time outdoors, and do more walking. They also have a better developed sense of privacy and personal space, and will 'make room' for each other even in the tightest of conditions .. wherever it's possible to do so. They're also more pro-active in things like mask wearing - even inside the home if conditions demand it.

It goes without saying that health profiles are also better in the these places, with less obesity and its associated risk factors. So if you have a good diet, get plenty of exercise, spend plenty of time outdoors getting plenty of fresh air and Vit D, AND you're respectful of personal space and the observation of hygeine protocols, you are naturally going to do a lot better.

There's more to this stuff, and it's possibly something lay people aren't aware of - that is that once someone is infected, the more time they spend outdoors the better and faster their recovery. The reason for this is that if you remain indoors, you're re-breathing the virus constantly. The virus can live for up to 72 hours outside the body, so you're constantly reloading yourself. Taking it outdoors - or at the very least leaving your windows wide open - is essential to actually clearing yourself of the virus. Hospitals are equipped to get rid of this 'virus laden air', but private homes are definitely not. Heating and cooling are entirely unsuited to the purpose, and in some cases actually make it worse.

 

Per capita numbers are unnecessary. When New York has more COVID deaths than a state with a 50% larger population, like Texas, the per capita numbers are irrelevant.

It's almost as we have two different problems that can be solved by two separate state governments, rather than Biden's failed mandate as promise to end COVID by spring.

We're talking about deaths. In New York you have to get tested to go into a dentist or doctors office, to have surgery, if you're arrested. It doesn't matter if you're asymptomatic. You're getting tested.

So why is the state with a much larger unvaccinated population seeing fewer deaths. New York had more than twice as many COVID deaths as Texas today.