Feds looking at fake 2020 elector certificates for potential criminal charges

Yeah, we know. Everything is Trumps doing.

 

Perhaps because it relates to the delivery of the votes to the national archives. Perhaps no crime at the state level, but a crime at the federal level.

 

No. According to you, everything bad is the fault of Democrats. Even when it is actually Republicans who are doing the things you think are bad.

 

Are you insane? Ofc they weren't stupid which is why these votes were rejected. But that is besides the point. You said these fake certificates submitted, which is false. Are you aware they were submitted and rejected?

Are you saying Republicans were so dumb they think they could get away with it?

 

So now you are speaking for me and Trump.
Thats funny

 

Sounds like everyone agrees on the highlighted part. Whether it's a crime at the federal level remains to be seen. I'm going to guess no charges will be filed against electors, but perhaps the politicization of the DoJ is worse than I think. We'll see.

 

So you actually think. 7 states, knowingly falsified elector documents, in the hope that nobody would possible catch it, and all 7 of those states votes would go to Trump instead of Biden, hoping the state Congressmen from those 7 states, wouldn't have known the difference.
And you call me insane?

 

I'm behind on my lingo, but I think the young folks these days call it "simping."

 

Trump had nothing to do with the "alternate" electors that showed up in WH internal legal documents . . . and which the WH publicly called part of their "legal strategy" to keep Trump in power?

 

This is his doing. So much more could have been accomplished if it werent for trump acting like a petulant child.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

I'm talking about the investigation into the "alternate elector" plot. You said Trump had nothing to do with that. Yet the WH obviously did. They gave Trump memos about it. They talked about it in media interviews.

 

Let me get this straight
You think, 7 states, knowingly falsified elector documents, in the hope that nobody would possibly catch it, and all 7 of those states votes would go to Trump instead of Biden, hoping the state Congressmen from those 7 states, wouldn't have known the difference when they voted on Jan 6th thus changing the outcome of the election?

This is what you're saying.

 

In some of those 7 states (not sure how many) they included an addendum that said they were waiting for pending court cases. For those that didn't, yes, they were committing fraud. They claimed to be the legitimate electors. No, that isn't okay. We know from WH memos that the intention of these "alternate electors" was to either:

1) Convince Pence he could ignore the real/legal electors, decide not to count them and just choose to count the "alternates" instead in order to install Trump as an unelected President
2) Use these fake electors to claim that the EC votes of 7 states should be entirely disqualified due to the "challenge," and declare Trump the unelected President based on the remaining states
3) Use the fake electors to disqualify 7 states and then ignore the EC entirely by kicking the vote to the House in order to declare Trump the unelected President

 

Again, nothing I said has been refuted. This was the PLAN

 

Cool story bro
Except there were no alternatives presented or suggested.
Next

 

Oh, so this wasn't some clandestine cover up to secretly provide fake electors to defraud the election. It was media news.
That sounds about right

 

So this was the plan?
Let me get this straight
You think, 7 states, knowingly falsified elector documents, in the hopes that nobody would possibly catch it, and all 7 of those states votes would go to Trump instead of Biden, hoping the state Congressmen from those 7 states, wouldn't have known the difference when they voted on Jan 6th thus changing the outcome of the election or having two sets of electors from all 7 states would cancel the votes for those states?

This is what you're saying.
Yet, none of that happened, did it.
Yeah, cool story

 

Try reading the Eastman memo. The only reason they weren't presented was because Pence had enough integrity not to go along with Trump's plan.

 

I don't recall anyone saying this was secret. More information is coming out about the level to what it was COORDINATED from the WH, but I don't recall anyone saying it was secret all along. Anyone claiming that is badly misinformed. The "alternate electors" were a public talking point from Trump's WH.

 

As they were a public talking point in every state to meet the deadline for filing waiting for their court outcomes.
And it never went any further than that.

 

Because Pence stopped the WH plan for taking it further. Read the Eastman memo. Is there a magic number of times I need to say that before you will actually read it?

 

@Condor060

If you need the TL;DR, here it is for you all over again:

We know from WH memos that the intention of these "alternate electors" was to either:

1) Convince Pence he could ignore the real/legal electors, decide not to count them and just choose to count the "alternates" instead in order to install Trump as an unelected President
2) Use these fake electors to claim that the EC votes of 7 states should be entirely disqualified due to the "challenge," and declare Trump the unelected President based on the remaining states
3) Use the fake electors to disqualify 7 states and then ignore the EC entirely by kicking the vote to the House in order to declare Trump the unelected President

 

The people who sent in the fake documents are insane. Do you understand they are not authorized to send in those documents? Even if the courts ruled in favor of Trump, the state would have to send the documents, not these people.

 

I don't need to read the Eastman memo when I have the actual Congressional record.
The same 7 states in question were objected to by Republicans sighting election fraud, no alternatives were suggested, provided, hinted, or even discussed.
The matter was tabled and voted on. Republicans lost by Congressional vote.
The only votes provided for those 7 states were the votes cast by Democrat electors, and Biden won the election.

Now what did you want to add to that?