Texas: black Thug Murders White Cop. #BlueLivesMatter.

Of all LEO's killed in the past ten years. I wonder how many or what percentage were at the hands of a minority. I suspect it is a high percentage.

 

I'm not sure there is a good set of statistics on the racial disparities in cop killers. However, just an empirical survey of the recent spate of dead cops -- spurred on by the DeFund and Black Lies Matter cabal -- would reveal the overwhelming majority of cop killers are not White.

Here's the tragic list of our law enforcers who've been killed or died in the line of duty: https://www.odmp.org

 

the problem was he was handcuffed when it happened

and they called an ambulance for him, before he died, so they knew he was having breathing issues

 

A lot of criminals when being arrested proclaim breathing issues. If that's all it takes to dupe you, then you have no idea how to police and would get steam rolled. The idea that specific pin is a lethal pin is ridiculous. Pin 100 people with it and 99 percent survive just fine.

As for the handcuffs, someone who is as large as George was, again...think Brock Lesnar...could still be incredibly dangerous even in handcuffs should they decide to "snap". Have you ever tried to stop someone larger then you are who doesn't want to stop?

I'm going to guess you haven't.

 

Why? Because qualified immunity, that's why.

Well, that's unfortunate because you have no medical expertise to explain why the hold killed him but they do.

In point of fact, both Chauvin and his partner point out both during the incident and after that they knew or had cause to believe that Floyd was on drugs. In point of fact they are explicitly taught not to administer that hold in that fashion on someone they suspect of being on drugs because... and here's the kicker: THEY'RE OUTRIGHT TRAINED THAT WILL KILL SUCH A PERSON.

 

he was handcuffed, no need for the knee

 

It killed a white dude well before it killed George. But over all it's been used countless of times and is safe. You have NO CLUE how to police.

 

Its a lethal pin for someone hopped up on narcotics, which Chauvin and his partner both freely offer that they certainly suspected. They're trained not to use that hold on people that are doped up, they used that hold on someone they suspected to be doped up, he was doped up and he died because of their hold.

 

Yes and it was murder both times, race has nothing to do with the charges.
Its not safe to use on people with dope in their systems, Chauvin admits ON TAPE and to a witness that he suspected such. He was trained not to use it in that case, did, and that hold killed a person as was perfectly predictable if he'd only obeyed his training.

It seems you have no clue how to police, since you're endorsing going against police training. Odd, no?

 

You have no clue how to stop someone the size of Brock Lesnar. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

"not safe to use on someone with dope in their system"? oh good one. That would negate it's use over 80 percent of all stops...lol.

"just let him go guys! He has dope in his system!"

 

sounds like you don't, he did not need to be killed that day, he was handcuffed

 

Well they're trained not to use it on people they suspect of being under the influence of narcotics. That's their training.

No one said let him go. The procedure in that case is to hook him up and lay him on his side rather than sitting on his back and compressing him.
All the stupid ****s had to do was roll the *********ker over. The two rookies even point that out and Chauvin overrules them 3 times.

 

Say a guy the size of Brock Lesnar high on cocaine wants to leave...how would you stop him?

 

The exact same way they stopped floyd, except once you've got him hooked up you roll him on his side instead of sitting on his chest and if he tries to get up he's shackled with his hands behind his back and you're close enough to be able to control him.
Exactly the way they are trained, rather than acting against that training as Chauvin demanded which led to the medically certain outcome of death in custody that training is calculated to avoid.

 

"control him" Control him how?

 

You've got his hands on a hook, use a compliance hold like lifting them into a stress position while one of you turns his shoulders to keep him on his side and the other two keep him from getting his legs underneath him. There are 4 of you and one of him, you have double his mass and quadruple the points of manipulation. He's bound. He's on the ground. He's not going anywhere if you just do your job and follow your training.
That's how they're trained.
They're literally trained not to put someone they think is on dope, like they admit they thought/knew Floyd was, in the position they put Floyd in for the EXACT reason you see: they tend to stroke out and die if you hold them like that and then you go to prison.

 

He could use both his size and strength to negate the lift, use his body size and strength momentum to knock you over our out of position to try to leverage him. Once a guy of that size is on his feet, it's a different ballgame.

I mean you just watched a video where a guy Jacob Blake's size was able to escape 3 cops trying to wrestle him and he got tazed twice before they shot him? And by my guess, he looks to be around 6'0 and 180 ish pounds. (can't find any stats on his height/weight)

You cannot allow a person of George Floyd's size to gain any type of momentum or positioning where he can use strength against you because you will lose.

Arresting someone that large who doesn't want to be arrested is a very difficult situation even with trained cops. It makes it especially difficult when we keep banning holds and locks that end up killing someone out of thousand's of arrests because people get upset and think they could do better having never been in the position to arrest someone.

 

Lol you cannot use your 'size and strength' to get out of someone wrenching your arms up by the cuffs until your shoulders are on the verge of being dislocated which is how compliance holds work.
He'd have to weasel AROUND that hold, which is what you have the 3 other people holding him in place for, one keeping him from turning his shoulders to evade the upward push on his shoulder joints using the levers of his arms, the other two to keep him from rotating his legs or hips, preventing him from standing back up.

Blake wasn't on the ground and in cuffs and rolled over though, now was he? Instead he was on his feet and squeaked out of their hold at a dead run with his hands entirely free.
You keep wanting to change the conditions, moving the goalposts.
I said what they should have done with floyd was restrain him exactly as they did except after he was hooked up and on his chest with 4 grown men holding him, they should've followed their training and rolled him on his side. I say this, because their training demands they act in this manner. It directly commands them NOT to act in the manner they acted with a suspect they thought/knew was doped up, as here.

He wouldn't have either momentum or positioning in the scenario I describe which is prescribed by their training which they disregarded.

 

Are these the people who are supposed to lower our crime rate?

 

Go for it. Try it on someone the size of Brock Lesnar. You simply do not know what the hell you are talking about. You are coming off like one of those "I teach self defense" dip shits. **** like this;



The reality is that if someone the size of Brock Lesnar wants to get away from you or over power you, they can do so fairly easily.

Look how easily the tide can turn even with a dude cuffed and "controlled". And he's not as big as George.


Reality versus your warped cartoon vision as to how arrests should go.

 

I like how neither of your videos is what happened with Floyd IE what we were talking about. Keep moving those goal posts dear.
Again: 4 grown men on 1 guy who is already cuffed and already on the ground on his chest. All you have to do, per your training which makes you immune from liability if you follow it, is roll his ass over.

All they had to do was follow their training and not disregard it. If floyd had hopped up like superman and started beating the dog **** out of them (because in this example rather than being all strung out on narcotics so bad he can barely speak and be understood, and undergoing positional asyphxia, he's some kind of super human who can muscle his way out of being hooked up with 4 dudes on him in a no leverage position) with just his feet they could've then tased him, he would've stroked out, and that would've been a justified use of force.
But that's not what happened.

 

I'm not moving anything. I'm explaining to you that arresting someone who outweighs you by over 100 pounds is INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT AND RISKY. And that even with cuffs on, things can turn sour in a heart beat again. (or trying to but failing because you refuse to believe it)

Having handcuffs on the suspect is not the instant "I win" button you think it is.

 

You are indeed moving the goalposts. You are attempting to use examples of unlike arrests as a reason for why Chauvin and his fellows should disregard the outright commandment of their training to roll a doped up, hooked up suspect on their side rather than sit on their back and neck.

Being a big dude isn't the instant "I can out muscle levers made of my own joints while simultaneously outfighting and outmuscling 3 other grown men who won't have the opportunity to clout me about the ears with their fists as I begin this superhuman feat of strength" you think it is.

 

You're wrong. They see mostly blacks killed by police and think that's racism, but they're also wrong. Cops don't usually shoot people because they're the wrong color. It's their behavior/attitude during a police operation that creates the danger.

You said it, bro. The BLM movement is absolutely senseless, as the term "all lives matter" is.