Feds looking at fake 2020 elector certificates for potential criminal charges

The Eastman memo would tell you what the WH had plotted, and what Pence stopped. Yes, that matters. I understand you don't care if someone tried to steal an election. I do. So, likely, will investigators.

 

The Congressional record speaks for itself.
The same 7 states in question were objected to by Republicans sighting election fraud, no alternatives were suggested, provided, hinted, or even discussed.
The matter was tabled and voted on. Republicans lost by Congressional vote.
The only votes provided for those 7 states were the votes cast by Democrat electors, and Biden won the election.

And thats the end of the story. There was no secret back room espionage acts to falsify elector votes to Congress. If there were, you would have two sets of elector votes for those states and the media and people would have gone wild the moment it happened.
Please.

 

They did send the electors. Pence refused to go along with their theft attempt.

 

Unlike the left, I actually go by what actually happened. Not another memo, person in the room, someone who knows, new book for sale, all claiming how we just missed a nuclear confrontation with China. We have seen about a thousand of those so called memo's over the last 5 years and I haven't seen one yet that has any validity. Not one.

The Congressional record speaks for itself.

 

I'm trying to talk to you about what actually happened. What the WH actually tried to do. The "But they failed, so we can't criticize them" excuse if just dishonest and pathetic.

But, hey, if you don't care about Trump attempting to install himself as an unelected dictator, just because he failed, then you do you, fam. I actually care about our elections.

 

The only way Pence could go along with this grand scheme, is to provide them in the Congressional vote.
Did you think he was going to pull them out of his back pocket and say, oh, lookie here what I found.
Guess we'll just go with these?
Stop it.

 

Not according to the WH plot.

That was literally what he was pressured to do. When he refused to go along with that, there were the 2 subsequent plots: to declare 7 states completely invalid (making Trump the President) or to bypass the EC and force the Presidency to a House delegate vote (which Trump would have won). This is literally the WH plan. This was Trump's plan. Yes, it failed. And Pence was almost lynched. Even as Pence was being evacuated, Trump was chastising him for failing to comply with the plan over Twitter, and the lynch mob was reading that tweet over megaphones while still trying to chase him down.

Your refusal to come to terms with the reality of the situation is not my responsibility. But keep burying your head in the sand. Reality is hard sometimes.

 

And this is the problem you have with me. When did I ever claim in the history of being on PF, that Trump is my guy? You just assumed it.
I wouldn't walk across the street to shake his hand. As a matter of fact, I wish they would put him in jail so everyone would stop talking about him every day.

I am against the power of the parties to script their own media narrative to be sold to the public as they just do it for division. And it works for them.

Here we are a year later, months away from midterms, and right out of thin air comes this idiotic claim of how electors in 7 states were planning on defrauding the entire country election? Its fake news and the more people buy into it, the more they shovel it out. If this was true, it would have been HEADLINE NEWS a year ago.

You know why we will never have another president with a brain in his head, because of BS like this. NOBODY with any brains will run for president of this country. Why would you put your family through this for the REST OF THEIR LIVES? Colin Powell wised up, didn't he. He wouldn't be caught dead throwing his hat in the ring. The last person I can even think of who had a brain was Tulsi Gabbard and they dispensed with her rather quickly.

So now you have Trump, Clinton, Biden, ect. Are you seeing a pattern here? We keep going from dumb to dumber to dumbest.
Now we have 8 years of an ego maniac and a dementia patient. Don't think it can't get worse, because it can.

 

Read the post you quoted again. I didn't say Trump was your guy. Care to try again? If you need a reminder:

"I'm trying to talk to you about what actually happened. What the WH actually tried to do. The 'But they failed, so we can't criticize them' excuse if just dishonest and pathetic.

But, hey, if you don't care about Trump attempting to install himself as an unelected dictator, just because he failed, then you do you, fam. I actually care about our elections."

You might not be willing to cross the street to shake his hand, but you are willing to bury your head in the sand when he tries to steal an election and throw a fit when other people are actually willing to pay attention. Funny how that works.

 

But why did Republicans send in fake certificates? Do you finally admit to this? Your story keeps changing from they had to meet a deadline, then I pointed out they are not authorized to send in certificates. You literally made up your point about meeting a deadline.

They literally tried to create a dispute between electors hoping Pence would go along with it.

 

Well, that's what Trumpers wanted him to do. They thought Pence had unilateral authority to reject electors, so they had republican ones ready.

Talk about dumb!!!!

 

Do you even realize what would happen if Pence, out of the blue, just decided on his own, that Trump was president by ignoring the tallied elector votes?
Just because Trump says (X) doesn't make anything so and to think there was this master plan to include Pence to falsify the elector count is beyond ridiculous.

You wouldn't think out of self preservation, Pence would be coming forward declaring all of this? There may be some desperate attempt by Trump to publicly ask Pence to not accept the elector votes but that does not mean some crazy plan was in the wings that just went south at the last minute.

I don't believe the media as it takes more than memo and a claim for me. Pence was approached for this evil plot but the commission hasn't even called him to testify? Please dude, please.

 

Sorry, not in the congressional record so whos the dumb ones now?

 

That wasn't the only plan, but it was one of them.

If what I am criticizing Trump for is something that he did, then what he did matters. "But he's an idiot" does not absolve him.

Then you haven't followed the story. Which we already established.

It only would have resulted in more death threats if he had made a big deal out of it. But it did happen. Why pretend you can't comprehend that?

We have the plans in writing. We have public admissions from the WH. Why would the WH lie about their plans? Is their plan to further incriminate themselves for something they didn't actually do?

We know for a fact that Pence was approached with these plans. Plans, plural. Dude, at least pretend to be interested in the facts. Is it really that hard?

 

Even the documents signed by the Republican electors had a caveat. They were sent because of the deadline because if they won their court cases they wouldn't be able to send them in on a later date. They would be rejected.
Everybody knew it when they did it. It was public knowledge when they did it.
Now, all of a sudden, out of thin air, a year later, the magical sky is falling?
Just stop it.

 

What is it about they are not allowed to send in certificates are you not getting?

There is no deadline because only states are allowed to send in certificates. Stop lying.

 

Some did, not all. And the WH plot didn't care about the caveats.

Again, that was for some, not all. Most of those states didn't even have pending cases that would have changed the results of the election.

No, you guys were warned about this **** from the beginning.

 

Trumpers because their plan failed bigly

 

Hilarious how people are ignoring Republicans holding fake ceremonies to cast their votes for Trump and sent in fake certificates, while in the same breath calling dems stupid.

The irony is amazing. Almost as funny as the thread about Arizona Republicans trying to hide the audit results and blaming dems for it.

 

It was public knowledge when they did it. It wasn't kept a secret so your WH espionage plans just went up in smoke.

The joint session adjourned twice to debate objections against the votes won by Biden in Arizona and Pennsylvania; both objections were defeated in the House and Senate, with only six Republican senators supporting the former and seven supporting the latter. Republican representatives also raised objections against votes for Biden from Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, and Wisconsin, but these objections failed because they were not co-signed by a senator.

And this back room espionage secret elector vote was so secret, it made headline news December 15, 2020.
Arizona Republicans Cast Alternate Electors for Trump
https://www.newsmax.com/us/arizona-gop-republicans-alternate/2020/12/15/id/1001721/

But a year later its now its the super secret plan to fake votes? Are you telling me Democrats are so dumb, they picked up on it when it happened and it took them a year to think on it?

Did we all just forget Democrats in 2016 and 2004 and 2000 objecting to elector votes for their claimed election fraud?

If Democrats are going to pretend to be appalled by this “disruptive” action, they need to take a look in the mirror. By their own standards, Democrats have been assaulting democracy for quite some time.

In nearly 150 years, Electoral College votes have been objected to four separate times, three of which were in the last 20 years and all four times Electoral College votes have been objected by Democrats.

There were no alternative electors provided, discussed, or presented and the Congressional record speaks for itself. But you prefer the idea of something that never happened over the actual event.

 

Again, you would know why this "objection" makes no sense if you had just read my previous responses.

The media raised the alarm as soon as this happened. It isn't new.

Did you just forget that none of that involved fraudulent "alternate electors"? And that I've addressed this fake comprison in the past as well?

I'm not a Dem, and this is an entirely different standard.

If all that was going on was some House objections, you might have a point. It isn't. You don't. Catch up. Read the thread. You are hopelessly uninformed.

They were most certainly sent and discussed. They were a vital part of Trump's plans to remain in power. Pence stopped it from going any further than those discussions, but even he was tempted. Re-read this post until you have finally understood the context so that you can have an informed discussion. Once it sinks in, we can talk. Until then, you are just making up excuses for the biggest attempt at an election theft in our nation's history by making fake comparisons.

 

Just about as dumb as the accusers look when they didn't know this was all public knowledge when it happened, but Democrats were obviously too dumb to figure it out for over a year? Priceless
December 15, 2020
Arizona Republicans Cast Alternate Electors for Trump
https://www.newsmax.com/us/arizona-gop-republicans-alternate/2020/12/15/id/1001721/

 

Again, the alarm was raised the moment it happened. The news is the level of the WH involvement in coordinating and directing the specific efforts in these states. Doesn't take a genius.

 

We knew they were holding fake ceremonies. No one knew they sent in fake certificates to Congress and the archives.

Republicans are holding make believe ceremonies across the country and you call dems dumb. Oh the irony...

 

When you find the Congressional record that shows the electors for those 7 states were part of the process in any way, you be sure to let me know.
As without it, its just yet another red herring as we have seen in the fake Kavanaugh rapist hearings, the fake Russian Conspiracy disaster, the fake documents of record provided to the Senate in two fake impeachments, the fake testimony exposed by Republicans in both fake impeachment hearings, the fake Covington Catholic kids are white supremacist, and all the other fake red herrings we have all seen over the last 5 years that have all feel flat on their faces without exception.
Sorry, history is on my side