The mentality of socialism versus capitalism

Either higher taxes, more costly investment by the companies into growth or a voiceless work force.

 

The welfare state is not a product of capitalism but a product of philosophy.
The Ford Pinto scandal is a product of capitalism.

 

Marine1 said: ↑
After spending years living in socialist Germany and exploring all over Europe, what is striking is that, even in one of the wealthiest non-U.S. Places on Earth, it is all about learning to do without.

I don't know what Marine1 wants that he can't get in Germany...or France for that matter. We have many Alice's Restaurants here some of which go under the name of Amazon
This assumption is hard baked into many American minds that Europe somehow hasn't "caught up with" the USA...countered by the Europeans wondering why Americans are so obsessed with owning things.
Europeans don't value people by the value of what they own...and generally disregard those who do.

 

20 million Americans learn to do without health care.

 

That is a personal choice often due to private medicine (they can't afford care).
In a very wealthy nation, that is criminal.

 

Americans spend loads more on health care per head than Germany for example, yet unlike Germany millions are excluded.

 

Then it needs either more hospitals, more medical staff or better administration.

 

The mentality of capitalism says that if you can't afford increasingly expensive healthcare you should die

The mentality of socialism says that you shouldn't.

You tell me why anyone not extremely wealthy would choose the first

 

The above actually describes an UNEQUAL society where people are NOT equal...now look at your Declaration of Independence...all men are created equal.

Except when one can pay for health care and one can't?

 

Better Administration, aka socialized medicine. Anything else evolves to being choice 1 in post 333 above. The reason why we pay so heavily for healthcare is we insert the insurance cos between the doctor and the patient. Their job is to exclude as many people as they can and they charge very heavily for doing so.

 

The mentalities are as I have outlined. If you are capitalist you believe that anyone who cannot afford their own healthcare should die. Are you disputing that?

 

Are you serious?
You actually think people make a choice to starve or freeze???
Jeesh.
Clearly you have never encountered those who have to starve or freeze.
Some are mentally ill.
Some are physically disabled.
Some lost their jobs and can't find another one.
Some had issues with family.
Some had landlords who didn't give a damn and booted them out.
Some are elderly and their pensions don't cover their costs anymore.
Some suffered theft or fraud.


Does it not ever occur to you that not everyone CAN be warm and well fed???

 

No indeed.
Just the opposite.
I find it very disturbing indeed.

 

However rich you are you still die.
The mentality of socialism is the quality of life whilst you have it.

 

This is an example of "socialised medicine" as I live it in France.
Everyone who is registered (and that is everyone) gets certain care free...cancer, heart and on or two other life threatening illnesses.
Then you go to an insurance company and choose what other care you want covered and pay for it. It even includes public or private rooms in hospital.
and the costs are not crippling.
Some on lower incomes get lower costs.
It is an example of the way socialism can work.

 

Most people do, except many conservatives.

 

ISTM that includes most Americans , especially the rich.

 

AFAIK they can. If you are aware that they can't please post the numbers here

 

And you object to anyone being able to better their children's lives with money/property they earned, but you don't have- because your parents didn't do that?
Possibly- you don't intend to leave anything for your children either?
You figure- that giving kids a hand-up to a better life with inheritance is too good for them. They should be slaves too. Good enough for you, good enough for them. yeah.

 

No, they're serious. They confuse government programs with socialism. What they don't understand about Europe is that people who at one time embraced collective production (real socialism) as the way of achieving social justice have redefined "socialism" to mean government programs.

When Europeans say they're socialists, these Americans see totalitarian communists.

Many American rightwingers think you're lying or duped. Nothing you can say will convince them otherwise.

 

Not if they use the Miriam Webster dictionary.

Lived experience is far more accurate.

 

If you are aware, you haven't shown it here. Like most extreme rightwingers, you confuse government programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security with collectivizing production.

Those who favor collective production imposed by the state don't understand why it doesn't work or isn't needed except in certain circumstances. The military, police, courts—we don't want these run privately because of the risk to freedom itself. If you want examples of what doesn't work, look no further than public schools and the VA.

We have a long history of collective production that does work. My wife and I became members of a farm cooperative for $5 when we moved to the country. The coop was by far the largest store in the area. It still exists even though the suburbs have been extended to the area.

This is a red herring. Pfizer makes money selling drugs, but so does the drug dealer selling fentanyl on the street.

 

English dictionaries track usage. At one time, "gay" didn't include being a homosexual.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gay

 

No, this entry for socialism in the MW dict is NOT lived experience.
It is wholly biased and misleading.

 

Is the topic too big for you? Seems so.