Why Do Democrats Question Democracy?

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  1. Cybred

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    So you STILL have no proof that the left is preventing the right from questioning democracy and elections. Got it.
     
  2. independentthinker

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    LOL. I knew you couldn't get yourself to say that Trump and others have the right to question election results. If you actually believe the BS you are saying then you should be able to say that people have a first amendment right to question election results. Can you say it or not?
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why Do Democrats Question Democracy?

    Because of things like this.

    Trump Had Role in Weighing Proposals to Seize Voting Machines

    Six weeks after Election Day, with his hold on power slipping, President Donald J. Trump directed his lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, to make a remarkable call. Mr. Trump wanted him to ask the Department of Homeland Security if it could legally take control of voting machines in key swing states, three people familiar with the matter said.

    Mr. Giuliani did so, calling the department’s acting deputy secretary, who said he lacked the authority to audit or impound the machines.

    Mr. Trump pressed Mr. Giuliani to make that inquiry after rejecting a separate effort by his outside advisers to have the Pentagon take control of the machines. And the outreach to the Department of Homeland Security came not long after Mr. Trump, in an Oval Office meeting with Attorney General William P. Barr, raised the possibility of whether the Justice Department could seize the machines, a previously undisclosed suggestion that Mr. Barr immediately shot down.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/31/...p-election-results-fraud-voting-machines.html

    Not because it's surprising that Trump would do such a thing. But because, amazingly, it will not effect The Following's support of him.
     
  4. Cybred

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    First provide proof that the right is being prevented from questioning democracy and elections.
     
  5. independentthinker

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    What difference does it make if you agree that Trump and his supporters have a first amendment right to question the results of the 2020 election?
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    Got anything of substance to add?
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    He had to have the Reichstag burn down first
     
  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    No, not really. There isn't that much of a real case for Trumperism
     
  9. Cybred

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    First provide proof that the right is being prevented from questioning democracy and elections.
     
  10. Phyxius

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    There is no topic without him.
     
  11. Phyxius

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    WHY DO REPUBLICANS ACTIVELY TRY TO CIRCUMVENT DEMOCRACY?
     
  12. independentthinker

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    As soon as you say Trump and others have a first amendment right to question election results.
     
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    Question? Absolutely. Actively interfere? Hell no.
     
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    But, at when is enough, enough? Donald Judas tRump exhausted EVERY legal challenge, and beyond, to the election ... and lost everyone except, poll watchers were allowed to get closer to the counting tables than was prudent under social distancing recommendations. After a year and half, and there has been no substantive proof that election changing irregularities exists, do you stop?
     
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    Many on the left have questioned the 2016 election for 5 years now and are already questioning state elections in red states and the midterm elections. When is enough enough?
     
  16. EyesWideOpen

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    That was one protest, in one place, which only lasted a couple hours. compared to the many days of violent rioting, arson and destruction that Democrats all over the US took part in after Trump won in 2016.

    I get it though, Jan 6th is the one and only violent protest by repubs that you can point to, and ten years from, it will still be you go to debate card
     
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    How many law suits did Trump file? You claim he lost "EVERY legal challenge," as if there were too many to count.
     
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    The dems questioned 2000,2004, 2016, and the former protests were very violent and destructive. I remember one was so disruptive that the SS forced Trump into the bunker for his protection.

    Secret Service agents wounded outside White House, car bombs feared; official says Trump was taken to bunker
     
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    I said Trump tried to steal it. Worse yet, he's trying to put himself in a position to steal the 2024 election if he can't win otherwise.

    The best way to lose in 2024 is nominating that jerk.
     
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    Sorry, if you consider all protests equal you're spittin' in the wind.
     
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    Democrats aren't socialists. Egads.
     
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    You first.
     
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    Not that many, and not anywhere close to the extent Benedict Donald and his mob have taken the "stolen election" bullshit. What's being questioned about the upcoming election(s) is the blatant gerrymandering that renders the vote of anybody but tRumpublicans hopeless. And, rules that give state legislatures the ability to just throw out any election result they don't like and decided amongst themselves who won. That is a level of partisanship the founders never even imagined.
     
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    No, I did not. Benedict Donald and his legal team lost 60 suits and challenges; I think that's the final count of his "LEAGAL" suits and challenges. Then several state AG's., like the one in Texas challenging ?Pensilvania? was it, many other challenges like that got thrown out for "lack of standing", which means they didn't have the right to make the challenge in the first place. But, as he worked his way through the court and election system he lost everyone he put up. Which was his right, but at some point a "MAN" accepts his loss, smiles and moves on; Donald Judas tRump has yet to do that, and it doesn't look like he will.
     
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    Agreed. It's destructive. Trump is destructive.
     

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