US is 'better off with fewer Asians, less Asian immigration,' says tenured UPenn professor

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    I found this interesting.

    US is 'better off with fewer Asians, less Asian immigration,' says tenured UPenn professor

    University of Pennsylvania (Penn) law professor and second-generation immigrant Amy Wax made anti-Asian and xenophobic remarks following a conversation with fellow Ivy League professor Glenn Loury on his podcast “The Glenn Show” (“TGS”).

    ...Wax addressed Lee’s response by repeating Asian stereotypes and writing that Asians possess a “desire to please the elite, single-minded focus on self-advancement, conformity and obsequiousness.” She claimed that Lee is “is too optimistic about the influence of Asians and Asian immigrants on our polity and culture.”

    She also wrote about Asians’ supposed “lack of deep post-Enlightenment conviction,” “lack of thoughtful and audacious individualism” and “indifference to liberty.”

    She concluded her response by saying, “As long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration. There needs to be more focus on people who are already here.”

    It's pretty easy to see why Wax's remarks created a social media outrage, but her observations seem like simply an observation of Asian cultures rather than some bigoted hate screed, as is being portrayed. I mean, is it OK to notice that people from other cultures are different from us culturally?
     
  2. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why would she advance this opinion? I see two possibilities. Either she knows that Asians are not as loyal followers of the Democratic Party as other immigrant ethnicities. Or she values something about American freedom, has kept up to date about what is going on in China, and does not want her country (the United States) turning into another version of China, which could likely be the case if enough immigrants from China (even though she herself is of Chinese ethnicity) migrate. China does have a billion people, and its population is highly educated, so future "Asian" immigration would largely be synonymous with Chinese immigration.

    In other words she understands the Chinese mentality and how it will give way to totalitarianism and limited civil liberties, of the same sort that is running the government of China now.

    She may be partially right.
    If so, this is a very insightful warning.

    Chinese have a sort of mentality of "do as you're told", "don't make trouble", "submit to authorities, they are our benevolent dictators and are not doing wrong". You can't convince Chinese that their government is doing anything wrong, even if you point out the evidence and put it right in front of their face. They are in denial and will just try to come up with excuses.

    China does have a long history of living under totalitarian dictators.
     
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    the problem i have with your post and the statements of this moron wax is that they are based on happenings in china and not the people who have emigrated here. the very reason most of these people have come here is that they didn't fit the mind-set you are so frightened of. having worked for and with many chinese immigrants over the years, they seem to have one thing in common - they abhor this peasant mentality that has trapped so many of their erstwhile countrymen. they want to be individuals, to succeed or fail on their own merits and not on the whims of the party. meanwhile we open our borders to south and central americans who come here simply because peonage here is better than peonage at home. this is the true immigration danger to the american way of life, welcoming slaves who don't expect to be anything more than slaves.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's only partially true. Yes, they might be able to eventually adopt American culture (especially in the second generation), but there could possibly be an issue if too many come faster than they have time to culturally/politically assimilate. (This is really an issue for immigration from any part of the world that has problems)

    What I think this professor is concerned about is there may be an element to this that is cultural and genetic and unlikely to so easily go away.
    If you look at all of the Northeast Asian countries, they have societies that are very strict disciplinarian (at least relative to American government-style, society and culture). (This can include Singapore too, which is ethnically majority Chinese)

    Most Chinese who move to the US do not do so for political reasons.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "“As long as most Asians support Democrats"

    he is basically saying, he is a republican.... and doesn't like how Asians vote
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not sure that's what he's saying. Yes, this fact is sort of true, but it is much less true than it is for any other major immigrant minority group.
    This is obviously not the main point or he would not be specifically singling out Asians.
     
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    One would hope the university has enough sense to ****-can that fool.
     
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    That is nonsense.
     
  9. Galileo

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    She has a long history of saying offensive things:

    https://taxprof.typepad.com/files/dean-ruger-report-on-amy-wax-062322.pdf
     
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    I'm not neutral because a part of my family is asian even if I'm not myself of asian descend, so clearly that kind of insults make my blood boil. It just appear to me as just a condensed amount of racist garbage.
     

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