The second amendment whats it mean to you

You keep saying this as though it's a point.

Make an argument or die in vain on the hill.

 

I can't apologise for crap law.
I read this morning about the trial of that policeman who, fully armed, broke into Brionna Taylor's apartment and when confronted by armed resistance (that which most of you advocate), started to shoot wildly around the room and actually shot through the wall into someone else's apartment. This is madness. Having a shootout in someone's bedroom!
Nothing can justify this. I very much doubt if those who wrote 2A had this in mind.

BTW what is a well ordered militia and are there any? Because your 2A specifically says that you can have a gun if it is to support one. You collectively have come far far away from the original purpose if you need a militia to protect your house from a burglar.

 

I consider a well ordered militia is another name for the police, which didn't exist in the late 18th century as it does now.
There is no way one person can be called a militia. Nor do they all belong to one.

 

Words mean what people decide they mean.

 

I thought that is what lawyers and the law does.
The Heller SC decision in 2008 was by a single vote that opened the floodgates of the madness that allows any person (barring a few reasons often overlooked anyway) that they don't have to belong to a militia, and yet they are the words clearly said in 2A. IOW that decision by one vote completely rewrote 2A. So you are not discussing 2A since there is nothing left of it. The common excuse that 2A allows private guns is moot because the condition under which they can do so was abolished.
BY ONE VOTE.
How many people have died BY ONE VOTE?
Perhaps the 2008 decision needs amending, given the results of Heller.

 

You forgot to add some details to that statement, first fully armed whats that mean are cops supposed to be unarmed or just PARTIALLY ARMED,
You also forgot to add the announced they were police officers and were there because of a drug raid and that the boy friend fired a shot at the police

 

Of course he shot against police!
Everyone tells me people have guns in case someone breaks in.
It was dark.
What good is announcing you are a police officer if your target is asleep?
Is this how you would explain the development of 2A to those who framed it?

 

So you would shoot in the dark at someone not knowing who it was . like the police or fore department or one of your drug clients .

 

Have you read the 2ndf?
Given your previuosly-demonstrated lack of knowledge of the US system of government, I suspect not.
Spoiler alert:
It says no such thing - specifically, literally or figuratively.

 

Given your vast knowledge of the US system of government, you should have no problem telling us why this matters.

Um.... what?

Not in the slightest, as Heller supports the plain meaning of the text.

Zero. None. Zilch. Nada.

Your unsupportable hyperbole does not a rational, reasoned argument support.

 

You would be incorrect. The constitution is not the only document on the subject.

 

The right to bear arms that exist is the only evident guarantee. Arguably, arms developed since the institution of the famous amendment would not unquestionably be included.

 

Why not

 

The words of the 2A is the point. Read them.
I even linked another posters post to you explaining it. Read it.
Or continue to be dead on the hill.

 

Why? It says nothing about future arms anywhere.

 

Because the claymore mine was invented since then, and you're for infringing on ownership of them. Against the 2A.

 

This second amendment?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Assume I've read it. Now explain what the hell you're on about.

 

shall not be infringed

 

And your point is?

 

are those who would infringe upon your right to life able to access those arms? well then, wouldn't your right to bear those arms, as a counter to the "enemy", be included in that amendment?

 

I wouldn't.
The policeman did.
That is why he is up in front of the judge...for reckless behaviour.

However from all I read in here, gun supporters would.

 

Well the Supreme Court infringed 2A in 2008 when it completely cancelled out the requirement for the gun bearer to have to belong to a militia. IOW it rewrote 2A to provide almost complete permission for individuals to carry guns at home and didn't have to belong to a militia.
AND YET this is exactly what 2A was about. Belonging to a well ordered militia for the purpose of defence of freedom property etc etc.

The Supreme Court held:[46]
(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.
WIKI

Those who wrote the original 2A never mentioned use for individual protection...on purpose. Who on earth would say "OK guys, tool up and use it when you want."
The SC, by one vote, completely rewrote 2A.

 

The words of 2A are not the point because SCOTUS rewrote them.

As for subsequent assertions of arms rights, the examples were all out of context and even the first one mentions DISCIPLINED armed people. Which is exactly what 2A clearly and emphatically mentions. and is what the SC removed. Now you have a new amendment that opens the floodgates to anyone who isn't disciplined. The reason the "well ordered" part of 2A was discussed and clearly mentioned was to prevent just anyone from having guns. It was a salient , central part of 2A and the entire tenet/safeguard of it has been stripped away.
2A did NOT say anyone could own a gun. It said anyone in a well ordered militia could and the SC knew it in 2008. That is how they interpreted it, because otherwise they would not have passed the change in 2008.
So enough of this 2A says that we have the right to bear arms. That is half of what it said. There as a condition.
It was the 2008 Heller case that gave you the rights you now have.
and which can be challenged and changed if someone so wishes.

 

All able-bodied males of military age belong to the militia