DeSantis tells CPAC to 'put on full armor of God,' says 'shield of faith' will protect them from the

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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Pew and Gallup have BOTH published surveys demonstrating the SHRINKING of Christianity.

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    https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-below-majority-first-time.aspx

     
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    1st Law of Thermodynamics states that matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

    If your IMAGINARY "creator" created something that it couldn't destroy then it is not omnipotent and equally so if it could not create something that it could not destroy that too demonstrates an absence of omnipotence.

    In essence your IMAGINARY "creator" is based upon a PARADOX and that leaves us with REALITY where the Universe is ETERNAL and therefore NEVER needed any IMAGINARY "creator" since it has always existed in one form or another.

    Facts matter!
     
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    Contradiction in terms. Faith is the antithesis of reason.
     
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    Once again, libertarianism is simply the antithesis of authoritarianism. Ergo, the converse of your argument above would be the indisputable FACT that authoritarianism has always been and will always be a rousing SUCCESS in practice. However, I can point to multiple failures of authoritarians and authoritarianism throughout history. It seems your facile binary is easily disproved.
     
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    :roflol:

    Yet ANOTHER puerile STRAWMAN content post.

    Sad!
     
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    Fallacy. Argumentum ad hominem. I am not the topic of this thread. A factual rebuttal addressing the topic would better support you argument.

    Back on topic, time to defend your position. Please factually substantiate your claim that libertarianism has always been a miserable failure as you claim. Citations would be helpful. I will then respond in kind in rebuttal to your endorsement of authoritarianism. Thank you.
     
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    Take your pick;

    https://reason.com/2017/06/19/kansas-tax-cut-experiment-a-predictable/

    https://billmoyers.com/2015/02/27/libertarian-delusion/

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...prings-libertarian-experiment-america-215313/

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-great-kansas-tea-party-disaster-177298/

    https://www.salon.com/2013/06/04/the_question_libertarians_just_cant_answer/

    https://www.salon.com/2014/05/18/li...rangement_from_history_yields_abject_failure/

    https://thebreakthrough.org/articles/the-failure-of-libertarianism

     
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    I asked you to factually substantiate your claims. You posted opinion pieces -- comprised of multiple factual errors and logical fallacies. I'd like to hear your argument, substantiated with facts. You made a claim. You should be able to articulate a defense of your position in your own words, citing facts to back it up.
     
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    At the least, one is a recipient of, and never more than, a servant to ones ideals, values and priorities. So if the spirit of your ideal tells you that you are its master, then it is a lie.

    Consequently, the only "imaginary master" in our lives is us. What we are, is accountable for our choices and conduct in life, and for that which we love and embrace. In other words, what we choose to serve, whether it be good or evil. It is that which is the hand of our fashioning.
     
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    You asked for CITATIONS establishing that libertarianism has been a miserable failure and you were provided with several of them all factually documented within the articles themselves.

    Now you PRETEND that there are "factual errors" and "logical fallacies" WITHOUT citing a single one.

    ONUS is entirely on YOU to now substantiate YOUR allegation that my citations are NOT factual.

    Mere NAYSAYING on your part regarding the FACTS proving that libertarianism has been a miserable failure as DOCUMENTED in my citations carries ZERO weight.

    Go ahead and QUOTE those "factual errors" and "logical fallacies" that you erroneously believe exist in the FACTS contained in the citations that YOU wanted me to provide.

     
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    What a load of theist claptrap! :eek:

    I can THINK for myself.

    I am capable of making LOGICAL DECISIONS and REASONABLE CHOICES about my own life.

    I abhor being beholden to others which is why I have made choices such as not smoking, not becoming indebted beyond my means, not being a slave to fads and fashions and not belonging to organizations that require uncritical loyalty.

    In essence I made the RATIONAL DECISION to refrain from anything that would INHIBIT my ability to maintain my own INTEGRITY.

    And because of using CRITICAL THINKING I was still able to thrive and prosper and provide for myself and my loved ones in spite of the numerous attempts to coax me into making unwise choices.

    I am now my own master in that I owe nothing to anyone while owning my own home, car, possessions, etc, outright. I have never LIED to myself or others and therefore I have managed to maintain my INTEGRITY and intend to continue to do so for the rest of my life.

    Your utterly BOGUS allegation above might apply to YOU but I KNOW that it does NOT apply to me.
     
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    See post #401 for the GLOBAL decline in Christianity.
     
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    Right. Since no one who supposedly saw any of that was even around when it finally went from campfire story to being written down the changes to it are immeasurable. There were no thousands, the 4 stories differ from third hand writer to writer, and this is what historians call "mythology". You can believe anything you like but you might ask yourself why it is you'd rather buy into one group of stories over the similar stories in hundreds of other mythologies when you have libraries full of evidence and science at your fingertips.

    Seems a little like the kind of thing you'd only do if there were some fears at play.
     
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    he was a Christian, just a bad one

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    So, that's what it seems like to you? Sounds pretty bigoted to me.
     
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    I'm going to presume you have some concrete evidence of that.
     
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    I'm not sure you're using that word in it's original meaning. We know for a fact that that story was passed down for well over 100 years before it was written, and there's several versions of it.

    What does bigotry have to do with early man telling stories?
     
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    Despite what Hitler said during his early years trying to attract Germans of all religious stripes to his Nazi cause, he loathed Christianity. He scorned it as a religion for slaves.

    Hitler was NOT a Christian.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/...s-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html
    How Hitler's Forces Planned To Destroy German Christianity

    "According to Baldur von Schirach, the Nazi leader of the German youth corps that would later be known as the Hitler Youth, ''the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement'' from the beginning, though ''considerations of expedience made it impossible'' for the movement to adopt this radical stance officially until it had consolidated power, the outline says.

    Attracted by the strategic value inherent in the churches' ''historic mission of conservative social discipline,'' the Nazis simply lied and made deals with the churches while planning a ''slow and cautious policy of gradual encroachment'' to eliminate Christianity."

     
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    Bigotry has to do with your claim that believing Bible stories is caused by fear.
     
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    I'm certain that word is being used out of context. Religion does one thing really well and that's convince people that if they DON'T believe in/do something that immeasurably bad things happen. I mean, is there a single person who follows the abrahamic religions NOT afraid of some hell-hel-tartarus? I won't even get into how many of those stories are blatant copies of older stories. To be honest I cannot imagine taking any mythology literally since these are just stories and metaphors used to explain things early humans could not understand.
     
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    Oh yeah, you are the master of your universe. Tell that to your Wife, the LEO and the Judge. Tell that to your body when it wants. If you don't lie, then you are a servant of and not master of the truth in whatever particular. If you paid your debt then you are not a master but a servant of equity. And in the end you will do what death tell you. Spare me your illusion of grandeur. All one can do is that which is right or wrong. Were it not for the conscience God gave you, you wouldn't know right from wrong. Were it not for the power of free agency he gave you, you could not choose to do one or the other. And were it not for Gods charity, you would not know to love. To take the gift and deny the giver doesn't make you a master. It makes you thankless.
     
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    Faith is one thing, gods are something different.

    Now the big question, WHOS god is it that gives that power ?
     
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    How many times have you heard a story from a friend, that over time the story changes, gets more details and those details become more outlandish with each telling. The story changes to fit the moment you are in when its being told. The good parts become better and better, and the bad parts become worse and worse as part of the overall story. The "remember back in high school when we beat up the teacher" story, and then when you research you find out that it was some kid who shot the teacher with a spitball, or the entire thing never really happened. And the more it gets told, the older the story gets, the more outlandish it becomes.......those stories ?

    Now......know that the Bible was written by man...
     
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    Yes, me.
     
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