Biden's time to shine

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Pople are dying. Joe says "I did that". And folks will continue to die. You can't outrun the facts with your BS.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Folks are dying. Joe has been entirely ineffective in stopping it. He seems to be openly paying for folks to be killed, and it sure looks like Putin and Biden colluded to influence the world price of oil so Putin could afford it. Yup, Putin decided. He was given the green light from Biden. Yup Putin invaded. Biden helped him pay for it. Yup, folks are dying. Biden is responsible. for it just as much as Putin is. They colluded to ensure that Putin could take Ukraine. Do you deny this?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is the moment when a serious poster would have retracted and admitted they misspoke. Biden NEVER said that the sanctions would stop Russia, like you claimed.

    So... there you have it. This is how seriously we should take your constant unsubstantiated claims.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Well, there you have it. The admission that what Biden has done was never supposed to stop Putin from invading. We got there eventually. And when AJ comes back and wants to clap or cheerlead for this president, you'll be there to smack that BS down then, right? Yes, Biden only inferred that his actions would or might prevent the invasion. Biden announced a threat. his threat was ignored. Biden cannot be taken seriously then. He continues to pay Russia to invade the Ukraine, and he's been unable to advance a specific plan that otherwise gets Russia back within their legal borders. He also hasn't delivered any plan to assist or otherwise aid those dying in Ukraine, and as he waffles, or equivocates, and y'all here do the same, folks continue to die.

    So, I take the position that the inference of what Biden threatened was supposed to be taken for its intent. A threat to keep the invasion from happening. And even during the the invasion, Biden has threatened yet more punishment. And yet, he still continues to buy Russian oil. And if he doesn't buy if from Russia, he's willing to buy it from Venezuela, or Iran. Which eventually means the money just has another stop before it gets back to Russia.

    What do you suppose we're missing here?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes they are. It's on Putin, not Biden. Those that believe otherwise are either listening to Russian propaganda, Faux, or both.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Yes, folks are dying. And it is on Putin. It is also on Biden. And those that believe otherwise are either listening to Russian propaganda or MSM,, or both.(I believe at this point, MSM are Russian propaganda, but why quibble here?)
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your claim was "He told us, famously, that sanctions would stop the invasion." That's false!

    But saying that is not as bad as the ridiculous way you now try to avoid correcting the lie statement that you know is false.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Folks make claims. Biden famously told us that he was the only candidate that's gone "toe to toe". There's video. Deny that? Biden threatened the Russians with sanctions. Were they just to assume that those were empty threats? Do you think there was an implied desire to see that Russia didn't invade? If not, then we assume Biden was feckless, and didn't actually mean his threat was supposed to be taken seriously. So, again, which way do you want us to view Biden? Is he the feckless idiot that did nothing to stop an invasion? Is he the incompetent boob who couldn't craft a sufficient disadvantage to Putin and stop him from invading? Worse, is he the incompetent boob the green lighted the Russians to invade? And far worse, is he the active participant in providing aid and comfort to our now enemy by artificially pushing energy prices up, and directly buying that more expensive oil from the Russians?

    So, cool. Which way do you want us to view Biden?
     
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    Who cares?

    The problem is that Putin has zero fear of Biden. There is little that Biden can do which is likely to affect Putin's plans.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Don't blame it on "folks". YOU made a claim. You, and only you.

    You said "He told us, famously, that sanctions would stop the invasion." And now you can't support that claim (because it's false), but refuse to retract it.

    You have bee caught so many times making up statements like that, that it would be a waste of time to ask you to not do it in the future.
     
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    Buy a newspaper.
     
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    . . . Russia would LOVE for the world to think this is Biden's fault and not Putin's. You've got your wires crossed here, bud, and the righwing media has been more pro-Russia in recent years than the leftwing media has.
     
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    I got the impression from Biden and Psaka that they thought the threat of severe sanctions would stop the invasion.
    It sounds like you are trying to change the subject. The subject is Biden and his inability to stop Putin.
     
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    I doubt that's the case. Biden is doing pretty much everything short of sending in US troops, and I don't think any President would support that at this point. If this were just about Putin's lack of fear of Biden, he would have struck sooner. He wouldn't have waited more than a year after he was sworn in.
     
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    That's absurd on its face.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are a number of ways to look at it. He did not invade for four years during Trump.

    He laughed at Biden for a year and decided he had nothing to fear.
     
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    That's an interesting fantasy, but Trump was even weaker on Russia than Biden. And, again, if this were about Biden, he wouldn't have waited a year. I'm sorry, but I don't think anyone can honestly believe Putin's decision has anything to do with who is in the Oval Office.
     
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    Horse Puckey. Biden has been the hesitant, unsure amateur- the leaders in Europe and other nations were on the situation while Biden was still smelling his finger. If anything- Biden is beginning to support now because he's following a popular trend from the rest of the world and is afraid to do otherwise- not because he initiated it. The only thing he initiated was a perception of obvious weakness, which emboldened Putin to start the aggression. No such thing existed with Trump

    You keep judging things like the guy who fell into the outhouse pit and has a very limited point of view.....
     
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    The invasion was planned on november 2020
     
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    Like you got "the impression" that Trump could be a competent President? I remember when you got "the impression" that January 6 was a "peaceful protest". I could go on and on, but the bottom line is that you will never get it right unless you stop relying on "impressions" instead of facts.
     
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    I again suggest you inform yourself BEFORE posting starting with false premises. If you had actually done some research (not to mean repeating nonsense you heard from Tucker or Alex Jones or... any of those clowns), you might have found something like this.
    https://indianexpress.com/article/w...ne-weapons-policy-russia-ukraine-war-7793538/

    Most European countries responded to Putin AFTER the aggression. Biden was out there making the plans of Trump's puppeteer public way before the dictator put them in motion. Thus undermining all the excuses that he had made up. Which left Putin supporters (like Trump or Tucker Carlson... and others) with no talking points. This is why the world is practically unanimous against Putin. Not because of those who reacted AFTER the invasion had even began.

    In fact, most Trump loyalists accused Biden of LYING when he made public Putin's plans. And their reason was that Biden was the only one making those accusations.
     
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    See, here's the thing. It drives you nuts that the inference is true though and even though you complain it begs credulity, does it really? Here's the flip side. Sanctions were never supposed to stop the invasion. Do you really want to cheerlead for that? So, if you insist Biden didn't say, or infer sanctions would stop the invasion, your other option is they weren't going to, he knew it, and wanted the war.

    And now that you've taken this so far you're here, left on the limb of your own making, making and even worse point. So, Biden, in your estimation, meant for the war to start then. Do we have you on record now? I asked earlier, you tried to slip the hook. But in a very real sense, what you've just demanded is that we retract the narrative that Biden actually wanted to forestall or stop the invasion at all. Really? Is this really what you want folks to believe now? I mean, I'm good with that landing zone. Why? Because I think it's now clear that was his intent to begin with.

    Jen Psaki told Peter Doocey that the administration was pricing in conflict into the price of gasoline in the US, from the beginning. There's a video. Now, she might not have actually meant that, but she is on record now saying it, and asserting it that this administration from Jan 21 knew there was going to be a war, and didn't actually do anything to stop it, or otherwise slow it, but welcomed it and actively tried to hide it because, you know, inflation. So, that does sort of mean that Psaki at least lied actively for months trying to cover the fact that Russia was intent on invading Ukraine. So, when Biden threatens Putin, clearly, those were empty threats. No? Where in this are you going to land?

    So, tell us. Do you know blame Biden for the war? Because, as you've noted, it's inaccurate to suggest that Biden's threat of sanctions was ever intended to stop the invasion. Ok, so what was it supposed to do?
     
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    Ok, so how is it not Biden's fault? Did someone else utter the idea that a small incursion would be ok? Is it not the Biden administration giving away the house to pay Iran off? Do tell. You want this to be the singular spectacular achievement for Biden. Ok, what is the achievement? He blundered us into a world war? HIs administration is ACTIVELY telling Poland (NATO country) to supply the arms to commit to a no fly zone. Isn't that an act of war? Putin isn't making those decisions, is he? So if Putin isn't making those decisions, Biden is. So, does Biden not shoulder the blame and then the consequences of his stupidity?

    And let us be super clear here. Democrats have told us, endlessly, that Russia was evil. But it wasn't until Joe Biden was sitting in the oval that he did anything about it. Is that something you want folks to hail as a remarkable achievement? So, your willing to "other" the national of Russia. What did their people do to you? And yet, you'd castigate their entire nation then for the crimes of their mad leader? How about the world et al. Should the world be just as mad at the people of the US for their own feckless little tyrant Biden? How do you want this to play out then?
     
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    There is no "inference" You said "He told us, famously, that sanctions would stop the invasion." He either told us, and you can quote it, or he DIDN'T tell us.

    It would be like inferring that somebody proposing a fine for speeding was actually "telling us" that the threat of fines would stop speeding. Only a dumb person would infer that, right?

    Sorry, but the only honorable way out for you would be to retract. Doubling down will only make you look worse.
     
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    LOL... How does it feel to swing in the breeze on that limb you're clinging to now? Here's what he said today.

    “We remain united in our purpose to keep pressure mounted on Putin,”

    Ok, pressure to do what? Stop the invasion? stay in Ukraine? Threaten European peace? Do tell. what are we remaining united to do here? And why does that require "pressure" to be mounted on Putin? This is a contextually germane comment about what sanctions are intended to do. He went on to say:
    “actions to continue to hold Russia accountable for its unprovoked and unjustified war on Ukraine.”

    Hmm...sanctions that, according to Jen Psaki were intended not for the short term, but longer term, as I recall... He goes on

    “Russian oil will no longer be accepted at U.S. ports, and the American people will deal another powerful blow to Putin’s war machine,”

    Golly. Biden is publicly saying he's going to not continue to fund the Russian war effort. What a guy. Did this make you cry?

    And then there was this: “defending freedom is going to cost,” so in exchange, Americans can expect higher inflation and gas prices."

    So, Biden is now at war with the US consumers? Because he decided to stop paying Russia to support their illegal war in Ukraine, today? LMAO.
     

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