Russia will stop 'in a moment' if Ukraine meets terms - Kremlin

Hatred is not fear.

 

Zelensky channeling Churchill:
"We will not give up and we will not lose," Zelenskyy said to a rousing ovation from the British parliament via video from Ukraine. "We will fight to the end, at sea, in the air. We will continue fighting for our land whatever the costs."

 

So those people living in underground subways are there because they hate Russians and not because they fear being blown up? And those fleeing the destruction is because of hate not fear?

 

Self-preservation is not fear. The hatred will last. In any case, the point was that other forces, not civilians, no longer fear Russian forces.

 

Putin was planning for a quick capitulation by the Ukraine. Clearly independence for the border areas in the Donbas was not the ultimate goal.

Putin wants to dismantle the government of Ukraine and partition the country. Why ? He has seen the government of the Ukraine evolve from a Soviet style autocratic/totalitarian regime toward a representative government. To be sure, it's a very primitive representative government and has all the problems of an evolving government like corruption and legacy members trying to conjure up the past. What scares Putin is that this government has been working. If it works in the Ukraine, Russians are going to look across the border and start wondering if it would work in Russia.

That would end Putin's world.

 

Because Russia can pour more men and resources to make sure they win. I don't see a scenario in which the plucky Ukrainians push the Russian war machine back over it's border. Once they capture Kyiv, they can install a puppet government and that gives them what they want.

 

I believe you're right in that the Ukrainian military is no match for Russia's military but Putin's problems will just begin as soon as he transitions from invader to occupier.

Additionally, I can't think of any puppet government that would be accepted by the Ukrainians.

 

Taking a city or a capital doesn't end the war. And installing puppet government doesn't last if there's active resistance and outright hatred from the population. The USA tried it many time and it failed. The russian aren't better at it either. Nobody will ever recognize that puppet government or the new borders, the UN vote last week made sure of that.

 

Not listed in the OP, is the last of your own, listed conditions: demilitarization of Ukraine. Were you intending this in a practical sense, or was that a condition left out of the OP? If it is the latter, I am surprised that you did not, also, cite that condition as utterly unacceptable. What is the precedent you rely on-- though, of course, your post completely skips over this provision-- for this to fall under, seemingly, "not so great a problem?"

1) Japan was the initial aggressor, in case you've forgotten. De- fanging a defeated country, after it has attacked your nation, is a totally different animal, than having the aggressor trying to do this, to the vanquished. That was the old world order.

2) Russia has no right to dictate Ukraine's alliances, so it is not "very reasonable." If they merely wished a guarantee of NO NUKES in Ukraine, that would be a reasonable demand (and I'm sure, not a problematic one, as only 5 of NATO's European Allies are currently "nuclear- sharing," and neither Poland, nor any of the Baltics, are among them).

3) The U.S. not liking the deal, is not proof of any future intentions; however, even if it were, that Ukraine might allow, or invite, NATO/American troops to have bases in Ukraine, would not justify Russia's action.

 

Well I agree that the occupation is much more difficult than the actual invasion. I rather doubt though that Putin is worried if the Ukrainians regard a puppet government as legitimate, they usually aren't.

 

I don't think Putin is concerned with UN recognition. I think he just wants a buffer state.

 

In Italy we have heard that at Moscow they want to demilitarize Ukraine.
This is what we hear.

As for I have understood Russians want Ukraine without an army ... and neutral.
This is not so obvious: Switzerland is neutral, but it has got a well modern and efficient army.

 

There are lines of succession in Ukraine.
Capturing Kyiv and Zelensky will not stop the resistance and will not stop Russian troops from getting attacked and dying. Installing a puppet regime involves voluntary subordination from all parts of government and I just do not see it happening - in Russian occupied towns local governments refuse to cooperate with Russians and when they want to take the building, the staff just moves to another location or works from home. Kherson, while under de-facto occupation, takes commands from Kyiv, not Moscow, and unarmed civilians kicked Russian troops out of the downtown area. This happened in many villages and towns already.

 

This is just what I'm underlining [and I live 20km far from Swiss border ...].

 

So...it's your opinion that it's impossible for Putin to install a puppet government.

OK

 

Putin is Putin.
He's dreaming about 190,000 soldiers invading and conquering Ukraine.
Do you remember how many soldiers did US send to set Kuwait free?
Around 700,000 ... and Kuwait was well more little than Ukraine.

What Vladimir Vladimirovich [our former good friend, now hostile Russian] can hope is to obtain a kind of forced ceasefire and some concessions. But it's still early to have a say.

 

A buffer state which is on nato borders...

 

Finland is just thinking to join NATO [because of the Russian behavior].
https://www.defensenews.com/global/...-may-take-unhurried-route-to-nato-membership/

 

Puppet regimes can't function if there's resistance.

 

I think they would agree to ceding those three territories, if they can retain the ability to join NATO and/or the EU. But agreeing to not join any other bloc is doing nothing more than telling Russia, "Okay, we'll just let you conquer the rest of our country a little later."

 

It's death by a thousand cuts...

 

Ukraine had 2 revolutions in the last 30 years. A stable, pro-Russian puppet government in Ukraine is impossible.

 

...which is exactly why he wants a buffer state.

 

LOL!

 

https://roadscaptain.com/japans-ex-leader-says-the-country-should-think-about-getting-nukes

Former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Japan should consider hosting the U.S.’ nuclear weapons, seizing on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to promote his long-held belief that the country should abandon its pacifism and arm itself with offensive weapons.


Japan could seek an arrangement similar to NATO’s nuclear sharing policy that allows countries without nuclear arms to keep such weapons on their soil for potential use in wartime, the 67-year-old conservative politician said in a TV interview on Sunday.


“We should not put a taboo on discussions about the reality we face,” said Abe, an influential voice in the ruling Liberal Democratic Party.


Abe’s comments came as Russian President Vladimir Putin made veiled threats of nuclear war in response to mounting Western sanctions over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.