How much will inflation and record gas prices cost the average American family in 2022?

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  1. gfm7175

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    Science, namely the fact that the Earth's underground is a natural Fischer-Tropsch process.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You know, if you scroll to the bottom of the wikipedia page, there is TONS of cited information available. Your fingers are in your ears, you are stomping your feet, and you throw a couple terms around like Fischer-Tropsch that you hears from some source that said what you wanted to hear, when the mountain of evidence is against you. Previous to the wikipedia article I mentioned a peer reviewed scientific journal article that you likely dismissed as well.It's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about, and your stubborn self inflicted ignorance is the reason why.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Could you give me a primary source I could look at backing up your claims? any peer reviewed academic material? anything at all besides "science told me so"?
     
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    I was educated in Germany, maybe that's the difference. I KNOW first hand that people can live there with personal freedom and high living quality while still having half of the per capita energy consumption as in the US. It's just that many Americans haven't caught on. It's to their own detriment, since we'll be left behind in the global race for renewable energy production.
     
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    thank you for explaining why you do not understand the American way or ideal.

    You received a like for that
     
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    it was Ross Perot that gave us Clinton
    and the tend you showed was interrupted thanks to Carter
    the tend as it stands was 8 years republican than 8 years democrat but Carter was so bad we had 12 years republican after him and it would have been 16 if it wasn't for Perot
     
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    Germany only has freedoms the government allows them to have
    and Germany gave up on green energy it was a failure

    Germany’s ‘Green’ Energy Failure: Germany turns back to coal - CNNBC

    it is why Germany had to get in bed with the Russians for their supply of natural gas
     
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    nope, I answered it, you just did not like the answer I guess
     
  9. Josh77

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    The American way has nothing to do with being wasteful and destroying the environment. That's just ignorance. You can exercise all of you constitutional rights without being stupid.
     
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    your definition of "stupid" might be different from the next person. Naturally, if one is a Democrat voter then no doubt they are enlightened and omniscient.

    For those who disagree with Democrat voters, then no doubt they are as you say, "stupid"

    Did I misinterpret your post?
     
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    Oh, I understand the American way of life, my wife is American and I have lived here for 20+ years. Everything is plus sized, that's not new. What I don't understand is the attitude to blame others when one's own American way of life becomes unaffordable. Nobody is guaranteed cheap energy for the rest of their lives. That's not how physics works. It seems, however, that many would rather throw a tantrum than evaluating their own energy consumption habits and/or adapt their behavior.
     
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    I'm certainly not a democrat, and I've ever only voted republican, though I certainly do not claim to be a republican either. "Stupid" is thinking the American way and ideal requires a ridiculous amount of energy, especially at a time when Americans consume so much more per capita than anyone on the planet. The American way and ideal is innovation and leadership. We should be leading the world in technologies that utilize alternate energy sources in a time when traditional fossil fuel sources are becoming more and more energy intensive to extract. The American way is preserving what's left of this beautiful nation and all of its resources without turning it into a giant moonscape devoid of natural life because we want to frack every ounce of oil out of it. We are going to have to pay the price eventually to shift our power infrastructure to something besides fossil fuels. Don't you think it should be paid BEFORE we destroy all of our natural resources instead of afterwards? Makes sense to me.
     
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    your statement would hold water if harmful, Democrat policies did not get the pain ball rolling. But that is not the case here. It's not just the naughty Americans who like their F-250's. It's also a national security issue and our present, Democrat leadership has left the nation exposed with their harmful policies.

    I do not blame Biden. He's been on the taxpayer payroll for at least 50 years with no major contribution that entire time. he was put in place by the DNC and media and propped up by the media so to get a Democrat into the WH. What was he going to say.............no, I don't want to do it and enrich my family???

    All that he has known is taxpayer dollars. He did not grow a brand and multi $billion company which employs folks. He has zero personal experience in how difficult it is to start and run a small business. The same small businesses that the Democrat policies harm.

    The folks responsible for this train wreck are those behind the curtain who are running DC and those who voted to give them power.

    The EPA was the catalyst for our chip foundries to move overseas. Now, we are beholding to China.

    One can pound their chest and proclaim to be altruistic but Democrat policies have really injured this nation. We heard the poo poo from the media and Democrat voters about moving back to being a bit more nationalistic as if that is a bad thing. How is it bad to become more self sufficient?
     
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    I have nothing against alternative energy sources and today, they are perfect in certain niches

    What I do have a problem with is harmful, Democrat policies which injure the regular folk by being the catalyst that drives up prices.
     
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    The prices WILL go up eventually, one way or another, and a switch WILL have to be made to alternative energies. I would much rather that happen before we wreck what we have remaining of this country's natural beauty and wildlife as the search for every drop of oil continues. Make the switch now, while we can do it without catastrophe, rather than wait until the last minute, when there is no fossil fuel left to help us ease into the change. If we just let the "market" decide, it WILL wreck our environment, as the average person living day to day going from work to home will never see it and won't feel affected by it. I do not believe we should let indifference destroy the natural world. By passing legislation that gradually makes fossil fuel energy sources more expensive, there will be more and more incentive to invest in other means of energy production, making it more profitable and more efficient, and avoiding a potential energy crisis when suddenly energy is not only incredibly expensive, but simply not available for most people.
     
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    let the market drive the switch instead of instituting harmful, Democrat policies. Why artificially drive up prices for energy when the avg person can't afford to rip out their oil furnace, get rid of their internal combustion powered vehicles?

    And it's not just fossil fuels, every single thing needs to be transported so all prices go up when harmful, Democrat policies are enacted
     
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    I know precisely what I am talking about. You are just regurgitating garbage from Wikipedia and Scientific Journal, two sources which I summarily dismiss on sight.
     
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    Science is the source. Take some time to learn about how oil naturally forms underground.
     
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    Because the damage will be done before the market decides. The market doesn't care about sensitive ecosystems or preserving natural beauty. If we blindly follow the market, irreparable damage will be done, as has been happening for decades. And it will get worse as the easy to reach oil is pretty much gone. What's left will become more and more destructive to extract for less and less actual energy received. Markets are definitely not what we should be listening to in this case.
     
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    Scientific journals are literally where all our accumulated scientific knowledge is published, and yet you reject them on sight?? You claim science is on your side, yet you literally reject all of science.
     
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    those $75 fill ups and the attending costs of getting goods on the shelves or delivered to your door will wear thin on Americans fairly quickly IMO. They could be fighting for years.
     
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    Science is not a journal or a publication, dude... Learn what science is.
     
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    Don't worry, Democrats will just institute a "cash for clunkers Part 2" program in which you get offered a sliver of a fraction of what your oil furnace and internal combustion powered vehicle are actually worth and you will be much happier with intermittently-available heating/cooling and a vehicle that doesn't suit your needs as a driver.

    Oh wait, you won't be able to afford driving anywhere anyhow. PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!

    I really LOOOOOOOOOOVE liberalism..... GO DEMOCRATS GO!!!!!
     
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    ... and we aren't anywhere near the end of the price increases either...

    ... and a 5% wage increase doesn't make up for prices increasing 20%... 30%... 50%... 100%... 200%...
     
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    Interesting do you think windmill fields and solar fields ruin the natural beauty and destroy wildlife? Fact is oil and natural gas from a footprint vs output is way less intrusive compared to the other alternatives.
     

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