Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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    Especially evil men in Putin's position. He's got a lot to answer for and everyone knows what he has done.
     
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    Wanted to add to that link about Russian propaganda acknowledging united Ukraine - he said Russians cannot find any political forces to cooperate with them to establish new power. Even Ukrainian pro-Russians don’t want anything to do with them anymore! As a result, they can’t establish administrative control of areas they control militarily. :lol:
     
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    Kazakh flagship airline, Air Astana, stopped flying to Russia due to difficulties obtaining insurance.
    :lol:
     
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    Now, is this why half the hospitals in Russia don't have running hot water? Who claims this? Putin.
    Is this why most roads in Russia are not sealed? Who says this? Google Earth.
    Is this why life expectancy is so low in Russia? Who says so? World Bank.

    Sure, the whole Capitalist system is some giant Ponzi - and it's about to collapse. Kind of like us
    running out of oil - gonna happen any day soon now.
    Only it doesn't.
    Western economies do better than Russia's economy, and have done for so for over a thousand
    years.
     
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    I suppose the Ukrainians are going to learn the 'lesson' when they no longer look to London, Paris, Washington and Brussels
    but to Moscow. And Ukrainians now work for the Russian Oligarchs. And Ukrainian journalists leave the country or disappear.
    And then, a huge firewall over their internet, just like the one planned for Russia. Finally a doctor will earn $400 US a month and
    a Ukrain conscript $40 US a month.
     
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  11. Iranian Monitor

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    I am not interested in your ideological crusades. Nor do I have any illusions I will be able to burst your propaganda bubble. And I am most certainly in no position to settle arguments about a thousand years ago.

    I gave you the general facts about GDP and gave you the relevant figures.

    As for Ponzi schemes, they actually do enrich their beneficiaries until the scheme is busted.
     
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    ofcourse not
    but america & west being a hipocrit doesnt help either
    next war the us start for some stuppid excuse wont be sanctioned either
     
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    I want to say something here a little off topic but it underscores my attitude towards not just this war, but wars in general.

    I yearn for the day when the armies facing one another would be those composed of "good" versus "evil". We have never had such a thing. The atrocities which inevitably are committed in war by all sides will be used by the victors to paint the vanquished as evil. In the false paradigms of good v evil (an ancient Iranian dichotomy and concept, incidentally), a lot of evil on one side will eventually be painted good and a lot of good on the other side will eventually painted as evil. This applies from the lowliest positions in a war, such as its foot soldiers, all the way to the top. There will be many soldiers on the side of whoever is vanquished (and vice versa) who would be nothing but good, decent, capable, honest, brave souls the same way the side of the victors (and vice versa) will include the most obvious manifestations of evil: dishonest liars, selfish, sadistic, cowardly, and malicious souls.
     
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    ....for the sake of everyone in the world I'd like to see an end to conflict....that's it really....kumbaya and all that....but I have kids

    I yearn for the day they don't have too....

    Oh well....dream on....
     
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    https://t.me/opersvodki/1437
    In Chernihiv, servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, together with neo-Nazis, blocked the exit of civilians from the city.
    They are very afraid to remain in the city alone in anticipation of the arrival of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and the civilian population is needed for cover. Cowardly jackals.
    We can see everything from above.
     
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    And I yearn for the day still when the battle between good and evil is waged. The day when that battle is no longer necessary is the day when we are finished with our purpose in life.

    When we create a clear cut good side ((truthful, honest, progressive, looking for merit over anything else, courageous in principle, generous in spirit, committed not to the well being of any individual, tribe, race or creed, but to making sure our march in the evolutionary path to whatever destination it is supposed to take us, is (as it should be) guided by what we understand to be truth (without capital T) and beauty, and guided by those we have best trained and best insulated from material needs, yet paved by the synthesis of material needs arising from vibrant representative institutions)), and make its membership equally and fairly open to all who accept its rules but none who don't, we can then have a clear cut evil side as well. And that would be a battle and war worth waging all the time. A war where I would want my kids to be involved in as much as anyone else.
     
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    https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/76238
    ❗️The Croatian authorities reported that the UAV that crashed in Zagreb arrived from Hungarian airspace, and there from Romania.
    Tu-141, apparently, flew into Romania from Ukraine. Thus, the "Swift" overcame the territory of several European states, without any opposition from air defense systems.
    #Europe


    Everything you need to know about the air defense system that NATO has deployed on the border in Ukraine.
     
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    That is a really childish take. You keep forgetting that Ukraine was the most corrupted country in Europe - by a country mile, that country has their own corrupted oligarchs, their standard of living was below Russian standard of living etc....Also you seem not to understand that GDP numbers do not equate the quality of living. Close to 70% of Londoners work just to pay the rent and bills. Not to mention homelessness, mental health issues, food banks etc....Russia is not the benchmark to be compared to. You should aim much higher.
     
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    These neocon lunatics, deluded megalomaniacs will set the world alight. Decades of death, destruction, completely and utterly failed policies etc...and yet they are back in power in the USA.

    [​IMG]

    Victoria Nuland: Ukraine Has "Biological Research Facilities," Worried Russia May Seize Them
    The neocon's confession sheds critical light on the U.S. role in Ukraine, and raises vital questions about these labs that deserve answers.

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological?s=r
     
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    ..isnt' that an aspiration derived through a free exchange of ideas and ideals, through education and dialogue, though trade and commerce and not through killing? All you're desiring is the furtherance of the polarisation of differences by making meaningless definitions based on arbitrary concepts of good and evil. Societies evolve and peoples interact and their wants and needs and fears and friendships evolve with it through the construction of complex networks of understanding and tolerance. You don't create a "good side" and you can't define an "evil side" simply for the sake of expediency.

    This is exactly the strategic error that Putin has just made.
     
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    Absolutely. I am all for that. Without exception, without sanctions, without corruption and blackmail
    On the contrary, I suggested there aren't good v evil sides right now, just shades of great with some good and evil among all the sides.
    As for my conception of "good", I don't consider it arbitrary as I have defined it broadly and could define it specifically. But ultimately all normative judgments need first premise that isn't something capable of mathematical proof,

    What we have now is evil defined by expediency and greed. By lies and propaganda. And double standards, hypocrisy and more.
    Putin's strategic error is something related to expediency. That much I agree. All there is more to it and where I take the story is to a very different place than you presumably would.
     
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    NOVICHOK - nerve agent, developed in Russia and so far used on Russian dissidents, ie Navany
    POLONIUM - radiological poison employed by Russia, ie Litvinenko
     
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    Get serious. I am not interested in a nonsensical propaganda. Only debate based on the facts. Have a look at this proper peace of journalism. The USA has no moral high ground. It is as dirty as it gets. They have been experimenting not only on animals, insects but also humans.

    The Pentagon Bio-weapons

    The US Army regularly produces deadly viruses, bacteria and toxins in direct violation of the UN Convention on the prohibition of Biological Weapons. Hundreds of thousands of unwitting people are systematically exposed to dangerous pathogens and other incurable diseases. Bio warfare scientists using diplomatic cover test man-made viruses at Pentagon bio laboratories in 25 countries across the world. These US bio-laboratories are funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program– Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa.

    https://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/
     
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    He does. But so do American politicians. I'm supposed to believe that the fact that several of our leading politicians (including Biden, Pelosi, Kerry) having children on the boards of Ukranian energy companies had nothing to do with this outcome? Baloney.
     
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    As if Ukraine was a democratic liberal state. The most corrupted country in Europe run by their own oligarchs. The opposition parties banned and political opponents locked up. Only complete fools by the lines that this war is about democracy and freedom.
     
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