1/6 committee alleges Trump, allies engaged in potential ’criminal conspiracy’

Trump believed the vote count, without evidence, was fraudulent, and for that reason, believed there were more votes due him.

He believed that despite being told otherwise by Raffensberger, to whom any competent president would have listened.

 

That isn't the point. He conceded gracefully, unlike Trump, who continues to push the big lie.

 

Not a counter argument.

Fail.

 

And we're what? Surprised the committee is thinking like this? What did we expect, impartiality?

 

That mischaracterizes Gore's position and attitude fiercely. Gore's problem was that he had no case and it was simply about the physical and observed vote counting in a couple of areas and summarily resolved in court. Trumps case was infinitely broader and more complex. And it was a hot difficult potato which is why no court even heard the case (well, maybe one if you want to nit pick) whether filed by Trump, his supporters, the Republican party, other interested observers, or a number of states.

AFAIK, Nixon was the only presidential candidate ever who would not pursue a clear case of a fraudulent election for the good of the country.

 

There was a difference in the 2000 election. Maybe you weren't around for it, but at the time Florida used paper ballots that punched holes in this thick paper, then the tabulators would "read" the holes via an automated machine. They found that many of the holes were filled back in by "hanging chads", making the counts erroneous. Couple that with the fact that the vote margin was .009% and Florida held the deciding electors, Gore felt it was prudent to challenge. He did not accuse anyone at anytime of cheating, more malfunctioning voter methods. Read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida
"After an intense recount process and the United States Supreme Court's decision in Bush v. Gore, Bush won Florida’s electoral votes by a margin of only 537 votes out of almost six million cast (0.009%) and, as a result, became the president-elect. The process was extremely divisive and led to calls for electoral reform in Florida."
Not sure how you equate the two, except to protect Trump.

 

He had no further options after he tried as hard as he could to over turn the results. And to this day believes he won.

Al Gore Falsely Claims He Won Florida

"And who would know better about losing Florida?” Maher quipped. Gore disagreed.

“Actually, I think I carried Florida,” Gore shot back, exhibiting a huge grin. “But that’s another — we won’t go there.”

“That’s right, OK, there you go,” Maher replied in apparent agreement. “I think so too."
https://www.newsmax.com/MichaelDorstewitz/al-gore-bill-maher-florida/2017/08/07/id/806291/

 

One doesn't argument against poppycock - he simply identifies it.

 

He conceded "gracefully" when SCOTUS told him to ****. Gore is the prototypical, second generation politician who spouts the expected swamp gas reflexively.

 

Shoot your best.

 

I assure you I was around for it even attending protest against the FSC and Gore's campaign for their BIG LIES as they tried to steal the election. And I noted that Gore was challenging the voting machines actually the tablets people used to punch their ballots. Challenges that were SUMMARILY dismissed in the Circuit Court of Judge Saul. Gore did not prove ANY tabulation errors.

Then having lost that attempt to overturn the election had tried to get unconstitutional selective hand recounts to try and "find votes". Like Trump was asking the Governor of GA for an audit because he believed it would find enough votes for him to overturn those results. Gore got the FSC to unconstitutionally inject itself and Decertify the election and intercede in the SecState's PLENARY authority to certify the election which threatened the states entire slate of electors.

The SCUTUS then stopped that counting and demanded the FSC to state where it derived such authority to change election rules, as happened during the 2020 election by unauthorized officials. Gore went back to the FSC to get them to override the SCOTUS of all things. The FSC without answering the SCOTUS ordered the unconstitutional recounts restarted, this time a split decision with it's Chief Justice writing the dissent. SCOTUS even more firmly ordered them halted and again instructed the FSC to answer as to where they got the authority to override the Florida Constitution and SecStates plenary power to order these unconstitutional recounts. They could not give an answer and the counting stopped.

And yes the Presidency of the United States was decided by 537 votes. A fact I often point out to those who claim that voting fraud is not an issue because it would take massive voter fraud to influence an election.

 

I never COULD get it in the basket.

 

Vacuous claims are not a counter argument.

'argument' fyi, is not a verb.

 

Ah yes the guy who does not read .Gov sites and constantly makes up things for his opponents is projecting the above.

 

Capitol Police is run by the Legislature not the Executive. So no Trump has nothing to do with it...

 

Again, why do you leave out that they DID ask for the NG, and that the NG was APPROVED ?

 

After the fact sure. They had two days to sign off on the Order previous to the 6th.. Why did they not?

You are still confusing D.C with the Capitol Grounds i am sure that is not on purpose right ?

 

It wasnt "after the fact". The NG was in DC the entire day. They didn't get deployed to the Capital complex because the Pentagon didn't approve it.

AGAIN.... how is that Nancy Pelosi's problem ?

 

Doesn't change your poppycock into something any more rational. Grammar Nazis are not highly thought of, BTW.

 

Like I said, vacuous claims are not a counter argument.

Whatever.

 

A competent president would not have tried to bully anybody involved in the election process to find more votes.

 

You don't find it the lease bit bizarre that Trump **predicted** all those things would happen and mysterious videos showed up seemingly "proving" they did but not of that was acceptable in any court of law?

Do you think Trump is psychic? How did he know exactly what kind of "widespread election fraud" would happen in the Summer of 2020?

 

Why does it bother you that some of us don't believe Trump's lies?

It bothers me that he and many of his supporters don't care that he's the cause of 5 dead and hundreds of injured Capitol police officers, many of our elected officials needing trauma therapy due to his unwillingness to answer their calls for help, his flagrant stealing from his own donors' bank accounts and ignoring their complaints so a judge had to FORCE him to refund their money and people in pro-Trump counties are dying of COVID at 3X the rate of other demographics throughout the country.

Why is Trump so hypersensitive about his stuff but doesn't give a damn about anybody else?

 

The Pentagon is not part of the Legislative branch.. I have multiple times linked to .Gov sites showing you that they are in charge of the Capitol as far as jurisdiction. Dear god man FFS read the information provided to you.

 

Heard this stuff before, too. Get some original messaging. All you amateur psychologists who prryofess to know what Trump thinks or what he cares about jut make me laugh; you've sucked every turd the woke media and they're useful idiots have fed you.