John Bolton says 'Putin saw Trump doing a lot of his work for him,'so he chose not to invade Ukraine

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  1. Condor060

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    Nope
    But Bidens little contribution means squat
     
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    All the crap that has happened by far surpasses anything that preceded it. At some point, Biden has to take the blame for crap that his team created which is the majority of our problems now.
     
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    Little contribution? The collective weight of sanctions from US, EU, Switzerland, Canada, Japan etc. are having a huge impact on Russia.

    I’m quite sure you need to believe - or at least say - that American sanctions are doing “squat” because you can’t bring yourself to say anything positive about Biden. If trump had been president and imposed exactly the same sanctions, you would be falling all over yourself, gushing with praise for how tough he was being.

    The sanctions are tough, and they are having an effect on Russia. Their effect is amplified by the fact that there is consensus across the western world.

    Of course, in the context of this thread, we also know that trump would not have imposed the same sanctions, at least not willingly. He spent his presidency defending Putin and only reluctantly imposing any sanctions, when he was forced to do so by Congress.
     
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    Note that you cannot dispute what I said so instead you come up with this to deflect away from the truth that Trump had already proved that he would give Ukraine weapons because he already had. Which was contrary to your statement of "Trump wouldn't have even sent weapons to Ukraine." And since the fact that Trump had already given Ukraine weapons was well known it shows that your contrary statement was nothing more than a partisan hack comment.
     
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    What is wrong about protecting the people of Donbass from the predations and shelling of the Azov battalion and Nuland's Goons? Nothing.

    What is wrong with destroying the Azov Nazis before they destroy Donbass? Nothing.
     
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    Well that’s a whole lot of Russian propaganda right there.

    What’s wrong with it is that it’s an invasion of another country. If all Russia was doing was what you claim, they wouldn’t be going to Kiev. They wouldn’t be killing civilians. They wouldn’t be trying to take over the whole country.
     
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    How is paying 4% while only two countries met there obligation per the Treaty of 2% "claiming" anything. Its basic facts.

    Trump did send weapons to Ukraine.. Dear god man learn the basics of a topic before you start a thread!
     
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    Are you saying the UN is spreading "Russian propaganda"?

    https://www.unian.info/war/10416549-donbas-war-death-toll-rises-up-to-nearly-13-000-un.html
     
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    Which has nothing to do with Bidens piddely two bank sanction
     
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    Why do you call it that?
    The sanctions against those two banks alone will affect billions of dollars worth of transactions annually. And there are new sanctions against dozens of other individuals and entities.

    https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0608

    This is significantly disrupting Putin’s ability to access global financial markets. American sanctions are not “piddely”.
     
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    United States Acts in Tandem with Partners and Allies to Maximize Consequences for Russia
    Yeah, Sorry, you don't get to take credit for what everyone else is doing because you hosted two sanctions on two banks.
    Now, the reality

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    WSJ
    Biden Is Failing the Sanctions Test
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-...e-war-invasion-atrocity-war-crime-11646952980

    FORTUNE
    Many of Biden’s own aides didn’t think his Russia sanctions plan would work
    https://fortune.com/2022/02/24/bide...sanctions-plan-change-putin-behavior-ukraine/

    Biden Won’t Block Russia’s Use of Swift. What Is It and Why Not?
    https://www.barrons.com/articles/swift-russia-ukraine-sanctions-51645812467
     
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    They acted TOGETHER. That’s what makes the sanctions so effective.
    And yeah, if America is part of those very effective sanctions, he gets to take his share of the credit.
    Why do you keep talking about “two banks” as if that’s all the Biden administration sanctioned? First, those two banks account for billions of USD FX transactions annually. That’s cut off.
    More than 90 other individuals and entities were also sanctioned.

    What you call “reality” is just opinion pieces.

    A few days after the article about SWIFT, Biden did cut off access to SWIFT for some banks.

    I get that you want to minimize the effect of the sanctions because you are incapable of accepting that Biden could do anything good.
     
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    I wouldn’t say asking nato members to pay their agreed upon percentage is hostility but to each their own
     
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    All BS, in the real world, While Biden is claiming huge sanctions on Russia, but the Treasury clarified that the sanctions won’t apply to the banks energy transactions until June 24, meaning Wall Street can continue to trade in Russian oil and gas and the energy sector of the Russian Federation economy itself is not subject to comprehensive sanctions.

    Biden this week belatedly announced a ban on Russian oil and gas, but only because congressional Democrats and Republicans were uniting to pass legislation forcing his hand.
    Even Pelosi supported the ban and reportedly refused to agree to a White House demand to drop it. The Biden team scrambled to get ahead of Congress by announcing the embargo itself after they couldn't convince Pelosi to drop it.

    Biden has also demanded congressional Democrats stand down on a bipartisan bill that would suspend Russia’s preferential trading status with the U.S Again, in order to discuss it to death with Europe. The good news is that lawmakers in both parties said late this week that they remain undeterred and will pass the trade restriction next week (again) forcing Biden’s hand again.

    Biden is nonetheless getting in the way when it comes to blocking the Bi-Partisan bill that would impose real sanctions on Russia’s oil, gas, mining and mineral sectors. It targets oligarchs. It would create a lend-lease program to ensure Ukraine will continue to get necessary military resources. Crucially, it provides for “secondary sanctions” against global institutions that finance the Russian economy. These secondary sanctions would force the world’s financial institutions to make a choice between Russia and Western markets and finally isolate the Russian economy.

    Yet Biden is fighting it

    Since February the European Union has imposed sanctions on at least 12 oligarchs among the Navalny 35, a list of key Putin contacts. The U.K. has targeted nine of them since February; the U.S., ZERO

    Yes, Washington has targeted a handful of Putin cronies, but it’s only a sliver of the hundreds of oligarchs who hold Russia’s wealth. It did, however, announce a task force to investigate oligarch behavior. Twenty-two years into the Putin regime, the U.S. government doesn’t have that information? Bulls***

    The Biden team will argue that sanctions work best in conjunction with allies. No doubt. But the way to get the world to join in truly punishing and isolating Putin is to lead by example and to invite or shame allies into joining the fight. It’s not the current approach, which is to yammer in the halls and settle for the path of least resistance. Biden can talk all he wants about his plans to cripple Putin’s economy. He has yet to take the steps that might actually do it.

    Everyone in the world knows this and it has spread like wildfire around the world. Biden is as weak as he is incompetent.
     
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    More Leftists celebrating the jilted Neo-Con opinion of Bolton. That's always entertaining.

    The amount of propaganda consumed by Leftists today is amazing. Having to hear them repeat it reminds me of what they called the "Useful Idiots" under Stalin.
     
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    He made Zelensky sing before sending them.

    Just before the Democrats impeached him.
     
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    Well, except we didnt place any nuclear weapons in Ukraine
     
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    We wouldnt invade and decimate them because they refused to promise us they wouldnt in the future join an alliance with them. Neither has given us such a promise.
     
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    And then there is the real world where weapons were delivered in March 2018, long before Trumps call.
     
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    I am not sure that stopping access to national and international funds, stripping Putins friends of billions of dollars worth of property and preventing Russian oil from docking in the EU is "nothing ".
     
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    You have me confused. Which sanctions are you talking about?

    The sanctions the Treasury clarified that won’t apply to the banks energy transactions until June 24, meaning Wall Street can continue to trade in Russian oil and gas and the energy sector of the Russian Federation economy itself is not subject to comprehensive sanctions.

    The sanctions on Russian oil and gas, but only because congressional Democrats and Republicans were uniting to pass legislation forcing his hand.

    The sanctions Biden has also demanded congressional Democrats stand down on that would suspend Russia’s preferential trading status with the U.S Again.

    The sanctions where Biden has targeted a handful of Putin cronies, and announce a task force to investigate oligarch behavior. Twenty-two years into the Putin regime, the U.S. government doesn’t have that information?

    The sanctions Biden lifted on Putins NS2 pipeline in May but was forced to put them back on after the invasion
     
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    You mentioned EU sanctions as inadequate.
    I am discussing those.
    I have no idea how long these complicated legal breaks in contracts and sales of gilts, bonds and other deals take to actualize.
     
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    I never claimed the EU sanctions are inadequate. Actually, they are the only ones out there doing anything meaningful while Biden is trying to ride their coat tails claiming he is the one who instituted their provisions.
    It was Biden who lifted the sanctions on NS2 in May
    It was Biden who stopped all lethal arms to Ukraine in June
    What message do you think that sent to Putin?
     
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    Giving you the basic since you seemed in denial that there was fighting in Donbas long before Putin invaded.
     

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