What is a woman?

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  1. Nonnie

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    You are asking about me, so I ask about you.
     
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    I was asking about your assumption, and what it was based of off.
    Is it anecdotal?
     
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    Word!
     
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    Women are the highest-developed species of mankind.
    Does anyone doubt that? Real men don't do that! :)
     
  5. Nonnie

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    Thank you for asking me a question. Can I ask you a question? Where do you stand on this gender bizarreness?
     
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    I am talking about the impossibility that a man can change fully into a woman either physically or psychologically and I explained why.
    You can cut things off and add them but you are still the same beneath the surface. It is smoke and mirrors. A trans may think he thinks like a female but he doesn't really know what a female knows about being a female.
    I also don't think the state should make policy for everyone based on one nutter's behaviour. IMO that is way too much over legislating.
     
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    I stand with freedom.
    So, where did you come up with the assumption its a mental disease?
     
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    How many dif
    At an early age you can differentiate between little boys and little girls by this fact of nature:
    Find ant trail. Don’t say a word.
    Then give a little boy a hammer. He will automatically smash ants with it. The girl, being curious will follow him and build a little hospital for them.
     
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    How could a woman born without a uterus? I guess she's not a woman then?
     
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    You are so clueless. My little girls found magnifying glasses and taught the ants about spontaneous combustion.
     
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    I guess not.
    A woman has a uterus and a womb and fallopian tubes and monthly cycles of potential fertility, which are accompanied by hormonal changes bringing mood swings and emotional changes.
    Only women can bear children.
    Having a cervix created does NOT make you a woman. It only allows certain sexual behaviour which is as superficial to being a woman as wearing a dress.
    AFAIAC a man who thinks he thinks like a woman doesn't know how women think because women think according to their unique hormonal processes.
    If men display what they recognise as female traits, and VV, fine. Enjoy. But they cannot ever BECOME a woman any more than a cat can become a lion.
     
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    Suicidal rates are significantly higher in the homosexual and transgender community. Having trouble with gender is not a physical problem, but a mental problem.

    When you have a problem/illness that increases harm to either yourself or to others, it's classified as a mental illness. Also, you treat illnesses/ailments with medication and/or surgery. If, for example, transgender is not an illness, why are they treated with medication and often surgery? If a guy says, "I'm really a woman", then end of matter, but, they feel compelled to dress (per social rules) differently to their biological sex and then be treated with medication/surgery.
     
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    I would guess by her pelvic bone structure.

    If she had been buried, unearthed, and her bones examined, science would conclude the bone structure was of a female. Science wouldn't be able to comment on missing soft tissue on whether she had been born with any soft tissue abnormality relating to her sex.
     
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    So just to make sure I have this straight. A person who is XX chromosomes, but for some reason is born without a uterus (which is the womb so I would be worried, medically about a person with uterus AND womb) or any other of the equipment is not a woman? What are they then?

    Only women can bear children.
    Having a cervix created does NOT make you a woman. It only allows certain sexual behaviour which is as superficial to being a woman as wearing a dress.
    AFAIAC a man who thinks he thinks like a woman doesn't know how women think because women think according to their unique hormonal processes.
    If men display what they recognise as female traits, and VV, fine. Enjoy. But they cannot ever BECOME a woman any more than a cat can become a lion.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Biologically speaking, their bones are not the highest developed. Bones are a major part of the human body.
     
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    The question was how could a MtF know what a period was like (paraphrased), as if that lack of knowledge made the difference between being a woman or not. So I asked about a women who was born without a uterus. By the logic given they are not a woman either.
     
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    The problem I have always had with this argument is that people don't want to acknowledge that suicide stems from a variety of sources. So correlation/causation fallacy is ripe for it. For example, having clinical depression is a risk for suicide. As is harassment. In order to attribute suicide tendencies to something, you first have to eliminate other sources. Now for homosexuality we can do that easy. And we see that when homosexual people are not harassed they have less of a chance for suicide, and it mostly from outside sources. With transgender people, if we eliminate those other sources, for a pre-transition (not the same as pre-op) person, there is still a risk of suicide. This is because of the GD that is brought on by the TG condition. However, with post-transition (not all TG's need SRS to alleviate GD), that GD is now gone, and then we only have the outside factors to consider, of which harassment is a major one. That is not a mental illness, save maybe on the part of the harasser.


    I am with you on the argument that transgenderism is a something. Mental illness, genetic disorder, whatever. We don't know the cause, so in the end, we don't really know. But the simple fact that it does cause GD and needs correcting means that it is a problem. But it is only a problem in the same manner that say a cleft lip or a club foot is, to use some physical ailments as parallels. In the end, the goal is to have that person as a functional member of society. Having GD robs them of that. Alleviating the GD restores it. At this time, there has been no method of aligning the self/brain/mind/whatever to that of the body, without causing more mental damage in the process. I am not saying that such procedures that can make that alignment shouldn't be developed. I hope that they will so that trans people have a choice as to which way they fix their GD. But until then all we do have that works is the aligning of the body to the mind/whatever. Unless it is your position that they should suffer until such methods for mind to body alignment are develop?
     
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    I am nor going to be drawn into semantics.
    I could ask whether a human who walks on 2 legs ia a human if born without them.
    So do stop tryingto make the simple fact into whatiffs.
    It isn't a matter of plumbing. It is about what your brain and hormones tell you you are.
    If a child of 10 to 13 identifies as a female and hasn't started their periods, there are a myriad of reasons why that may be.
    None of which means she isn't a female.
    Being female isn't about ticking boxes and adding up the sum.
    A close male friend said to me once...I will never understand how a woman thinks.
    And that is the reason why no man can become a woman. Because they cannot think like both at the same time. Or even on odd days of the week.
    What are they? Men who have female physical traits, finer features and a softer sympathy than the average male.
    Women who have male traits.
    But we don't have to pin labels on them.
    Just let people be, to find their own way in their journey. It is of no business of anyone else.
    What are they is a non question. They are what they are. But to say they are this on Monday and that on Tuesday is nonsense. This is IMO a clear cry for someone to affirm what they are confused about.
    Just FHS live your life, find someone who understands you and be happy.
    But you will never become a full woman if you are born with a male hormonal system that floods the brain with physical and mental messages.
     
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    The point IMO is that men who think they are women don't know what being a woman feels like.
    They have never experienced it, nor can they ever do so.
    They watch women copy some external evidence, think they feel better doing so, but that isn't becoming a woman.
    S'peare would have loved this
    ..appearance vs reality. But none of his plots that have women do male things or males doing women's things ever came closer to the truth than when lady macbeth cried to her spirits to unsex her when she plotted the highest murder for the most sinful of purposes...a male business at the time.
    We cannot become a different "spirit" or gender without throwing off even for a moment our own first.
    You cannot be one on one day and another on another day. That way lies madness.
    I am not a psychologist but tens to see this GD as some schizophrenia disorder, being two things at the same time. But do stop stressing about having yo be one thing or another.
    Let it be.
     
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    Not being a woman you would of course not know the differences in emotional and physical responses a period makes.
    I am surprised since there are many jokes about women and their emotions around "her time of the month."
    What no man can know is how it feels physically and emotionally from her side.
     
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    I agree, and the way in which they do that is to synthesize three categories, hermaphrodites, men, and woman, into one monolithic whole through abstraction, vagueness, and distraction. One distraction is bringing up hermaphrodites to prop up the notion that men can be woman and vice versa; it's a non sequitur.
     
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    I don't assign it NATURE does. Pretending does not make it so.

    What makes a woman a woman and not a man? What changed with Thomas or Levin and when did it occur that changed them from a male to a female?
     
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    You are not authorized to act as as a spokesperson for nature.

    If a person has an identity in terms of gender, it is unnatural for politicians to dictate a different identity to that person.

    Please keep your statism out of such personal matters.
     
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    Suicide rates for people with Gender Dysphoria is 3-4 times higher than the general population. There is not really any evidence that transitioning helps this terrible problem with this condition.

    "Conclusions: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity"

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21364939/

    This is why John Hopkins refused to do gender reassignment surgeries. You are amputating properly functioning organs and not improving their condition.

    And these two findings were the key to their decision:
    1. The suicide rate among transgendered people who had the surgery is 20 times higher.
    2. 70%-80% of children who expressed transgender feelings, overtime, lost those feelings.
    https://www.newyorkapologetics.com/johns-hopkins-stopped-doing-sex-reassignment-surgery/

    But of course, if they have taken puberty blockers, hormones and/or had surgery, once they lost the feelings that they were of the opposite sex, there really is no going back.

    https://www.newyorkapologetics.com/johns-hopkins-stopped-doing-sex-reassignment-surgery/
     
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    You are still dodging the question on this one, based upon the original claim. A person is born with a vagina and an XX pair, but no uterus. Woman by genetics, woman by external genitals. But she will never know the emotional and physical responses a period makes. You, or whoever made the original claim, said that a person cannot be a woman who does not know the experience of a period. I'm trying to figure out if that is an actual criteria or just buzzwording.
     

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