The Case for Impeaching Clarence Thomas

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  1. Jack Hays

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    You're up against James Madison.
    Federalist No. 51 - Wikipedia
    ". . . One of the Federalist No. 51's most important ideas, an explanation of check and balances, is the often-quoted phrase, "Ambition must be made to counteract ambition."

    In creating this system, Madison's idea was that the politicians and the individuals in public service in the U.S. would all have proclamations and ideas that they were passionate about and that they wanted to work hard to enact. The logical solution to ensure that laws and strong ideas were not enacted by a small group of partisan individuals was to use a federalist system where each level of government had different branches, each branch having the authority to impact legislation proposed by other branches. One of the main ways that Federalist Paper 51 was able to encourage checks and balances was by emphasizing the word liberty and by describing that liberty would directly result from the implementation of these governmental concepts.

    Furthermore, Madison emphasized that although the branches were meant to have checks and balances, the branches would only function to their fullest extent if they were independent of one another. [1] By being independent of one another, the branches would be able to focus on their purpose and the system of checks and balances would only really come into play if disagreements and issues arose within the three branches.

    The "if men were angels" quote was meant to imply that not everyone has communal interests in mind and that certain government officials are inevitably going to push legislation that is in their own interests, rather than in the interests of their constituents. Madison emphasized that a system of checks and balances would prevent this from happening and he uses the quote to show that checks and balances are necessary because men are not necessarily all angels. This also ties back into the ideas of liberty and equal opportunity that Madison seems to be trying to emphasize through this Federalist paper. . . . "
     
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    Justice Thomas has paid lip service to this ideal. “I think the media makes it sound as though you are just always going right to your personal preference,” he said in a speech last year. “That’s a problem. You’re going to jeopardize any faith in the legal institutions.”

    Bench memo to the justice: You know what jeopardizes public faith in legal institutions? Refusing to recuse yourself from numerous high-profile cases in which your wife has been personally and sometimes financially entangled, as The New Yorker reported in January. Especially when you have emphasized that you and she are melded “into one being.” Or when you have, as The Times Magazine reported last month, appeared together with her for years “at highly political events hosted by advocates hoping to sway the court.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/25/opinion/ginni-clarence-thomas-trump.html
     
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    The NY Times shares with Donald Trump an inability to accept defeat gracefully. Decades later the NYT is still trying to keep Clarence Thomas off the SCOTUS.
     
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    Such a sonic boom that a barrel of WTI crude was just below $65 in Dec. 2021. Then Putin revealed his imperial plans for Ukraine and the price went to $95. Then invaded and the price temporarily went to $125. Next time find someone to quote who knows of what he/she speaks.

    "Stop spending like drunk sailors. That's the message from shareholders," said Pavel Molchanov, an analyst at Raymond James.

    That message was heard loud and clear. Despite higher prices, 50 of the largest oil companies have increased their annual budgets by just 1% relative to their initial plans, according to Raymond James. Instead of plowing money into expensive drilling projects, the oil-and-gas industry is focused on returning cash to shareholders.
    "It's not the government that is banning them from drilling more. It's pressure from their shareholders," said Molchanov.
    And it's not just shareholders that are demanding to get paid fatter dividends and rewarded with bigger share buybacks.
    The rise of the ESG movement is forcing fossil fuels companies to rethink their futures.
    Pressure from socially conscious investors hit a crescendo earlier this year when activist investors won board seats at ExxonMobil (XOM), America's largest oil company. That vote sent shockwaves through the industry because it was the first proxy campaign at a major US company in which the case for change was built around a shift away from fossil fuels. And it was successful.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/10/energy/oil-gas-prices-joe-biden/index.html
     
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    Because Joe Six Pack knows more than economists...
     
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    As much as we disagree about most things your arguments are usually better than that. That was particularly weak.
     
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    Your link makes my point. Thank you. Biden's policies caused oil companies to be cautious about new investments and emboldened greens to attack new drilling and exploitation. In soccer terms, you have scored an "own goal."
     
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    Actually, JSP and the economists agree.
     
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    Actually, I think it's a pretty good argument. The petty pretentiousness of the NYT is eternal.
     
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    It was a laughable assertion and recognized as such by 8 justices. Only Thomas, his wife in full blown lunacy in her activism for Trump's rolling insurrection, thought otherwise. What a coincidence. The mere appearance of impropriety called for his recusal. Consistent with his established track record he once again ignored his ethical responsibility.
     
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    I guess I gave you no choice but to double down on weakness.
     
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    Or perhaps he chose to ignore the political wind of the moment.
     
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    No its not true, and one quote by Biden does not prove it to be so. Which party has constantly sided with white racists who want to preserve the offensive symbols of the racist Confederacy today? Answer, the Republican party.
     
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    The NYT has degenerated into a mere follower of superficial fashion. Your post had nothing to do with my reporting of that sad decline.
     
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    From Lincoln's second inaugural address:
    ". . . If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which in the providence of God must needs come but which having continued through His appointed time He now wills to remove and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him. Fondly do we hope ~ fervently do we pray ~ that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword as was said three thousand years ago so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.' . . . ."
     
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    I guess I gave you no choice but to triple down on weakness expressed as unsubstantiated opinion.
     
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    You can repeat that as often as you want; the effect remains zero.
    This is a forum to express opinions. The fact remains that the NYT opposed Thomas's confirmation and, after their defeat on that question, has subjected him to unfairly negative coverage ever since. The issue under discussion here simply continues that pattern. Black conservatives who escape the liberal plantation are subjected to especially vicious and enduring attacks "to make an example for others."
     
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    So you deny his wife said what was reported; that she sought to overturn the election?
     
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    Not at all. I just don't think it matters.
     
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    The Inconvenient Truth:

    “At Patterson High School in Baltimore, 77% of students tested at an elementary-school reading level at the beginning of the 2021-2022 school year.

    A teacher at the high school, which has a 61% graduation rate and a nearly $12 million budget, shared the iReady test results with FOX 45 Baltimore.

    "Our children deserve better. They really do," the teacher told FOX 45's investigative team, Project Baltimore, on the condition of anonymity. "As a whole, the system has failed them."
    YAHOO NEWS, Vast majority at Baltimore high school read at elementary level, some kindergarten: Assessment, Audrey Conklin, February 3, 2022.
    https://news.yahoo.com/vast-majority-baltimore-high-school-220102517.html

    Yes, Virginia there is systemic institutional racism in America and all you have to do is open your eyes in any of our DP ruled urban hell holes.
    Governments that manufacture ignorance are not innocent.
     
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    And to determine whether the communications were indeed covered by such privilege, it was necessary to determine if the President was trying to cover up a crime by withholding the communications. The President cannot claim executive privilege if he is trying to cover up a crime. Therefore, examining the communications was imperative.
     
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    Actually, it was not.
     
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    So does your biased opinion of the NYT. It's likely the NYT opposed Thomas's confirmation because he favored banning abortion as a violation of natural law. And that his voting record is one they find themselves in constant opposition to. So it's based on philosophical differences. Sounds reasonable to me. If you feel writing about their opinion of Thomas is offensive, don't read the Times. There's always the NYP.
     
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    I'm a WaPo subscriber. And I see you're ducking the main point.
     
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    Although Mr Lincoln's words are indeed powerful and eloquent, there is nothing, absolutely nothing in those words, that says I was wrong, whites and blacks can intermarry. And although slavery was abolished, and cruel and unjust system of racial segregation existed in the South for 100 years. Indeed it is a indisputable fact, that right in my home town in Louisiana, blacks were openly lynched in broad daylight. My grandfather told me about how it used to be. And then when I got older and started reading the documented evidence of such events, I knew that everything that he had said, was not exaggerated, but was true.
     
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