Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK.
    This is not true. You don't remember "Iran Gate"?
     
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    ... in addition to the fact that throughout the history of independent Ukraine, an anti-Russian policy was pursued on the territory.
     
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    Here's what your US funded Azov Nazis have been doing to civilians in Mariupol....start at the 23:00 minute mark (if you don't want raw, first hand information, there's always the fake news of the West).

    Listen to this woman:

     
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    I am actually starting to think my 'joke' theory is true - maybe junior officers did start this war to clean out the higher ranks. They will be lucky to have anyone above Major left if this goes a few more weeks.
     
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    https://t.me/neoficialniybezsonov/9953
    Residents evacuated from Mariupol talk about how Ukrainian soldiers fired at them:

    “This is hell, Azov was shooting at us, we personally saw it, I personally saw it!
    Let everyone know, let the whole world know, "Azov" and "Right Sector" killed us"

    https://t.me/neoficialniybezsonov/9980
    More residentes from Mariupol. ukraine forces shoot at vehicles triying to flee. They order civilians to turn back or get shot.
     
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    :D.....new path of career progression.....
     
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    This is entirely untrue. The Russian installed regime that was removed PER BALLOT box proves that Ukraine is a sovereign, free, independent land.

    You can claim anything you want, but facts are facts are facts.
     
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    Indeed.

    Meanwhile, the Ukrainian army is turning the ill-trained russki forces into mincemeat, one town at a time.
     
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    and what exactly is that video supposed to tell us? Does it show the identity of the person who cut a Hakenkreuz onto her chest? The video shows nothing about who she really was, you know.
     
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    This is untrue. Patently untrue.
     
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    This hearkens right back to the 25 MILLION Russian civilians murdered by Stalin AFTER the end of WWII.

    It's been a long time since any russian government has actually cared about human life.

    The Ukrainians, despite hard blows from the Russians, are treating russian POWs far better than the Russians have treated any adversary.
     
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    These are, of course, untruths.
     
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    It's dumb propaganda, for the gullible.

    Ukraine didn't bomb Mariupal back to the Stone Age because they don't have weapons that could do that. It is, however, the way Russia fights..
     
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    ....provided you don't get promoted so fast that you are the next name on the undertaker's list. ;)
     
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    Lancaster did a story just before (or around the time of) the invasion which looked like it was planned as a 'false flag' justification that was never used. It accused Ukranians of shooting up a car full of Donbas residents and torching the car. The morons who faked this used a body with nice, clean cuts in the skull from an autopsy - they were clearly visible on film & would have been to anyone who took more than a casual glance at the bodies.

    So, Mr 'independent media' is a Kremlin stooge. We all knew this, just based on who is using his work, but clear evidence is nice. Like everything else from Moscow and its barking dogs, assume its a lie until proven otherwise.
     
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    No different than the Pentagon or State Department .. .. who knows .. story could be nonsense from either side ..
     
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    Just saying something is "patently untrue" doesn't illuminate the basis for the statement. I am not in the habit of making "patently untrue" statements; even if my conclusions might not fit your preconceptions. Whatever I say, I have a good faith basis for saying and I am pretty sure I know more about the subject than you.

    US complicity (as opposed to earlier indifference) in Iraq's use of chemical weapons in the latter stages of the Iran-Iraq war (circa 1987-1988.), comes across very clearly from the following facts:

    1- US maneuvered to table any UN resolution to condemn Iraq's use of chemical weapons (others did the same)
    2- US defense officials over-rode some dissenting voices arguing against the US continuing to provide battlefield intelligence to Iraq in light of the fact that Iraq had previously used the intelligence to unleash chemical attacks
    3- the US in fact provided Saddam critical battlefield intelligence used by Saddam in his chemical attacks.

    All of the above is a matter of public record and/or can be established reference to even "sanitized" declassified US intelligence reports. If there is any of the above 3 you dispute, let me know and I will give you the facts.
     
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    :icon_jawdrop:
    I did not think that death from torture and shot through the legs would be called a humane act.

    Well, who would doubt that a person justifying torture would say so.
     
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    how do you think Mordvichev is doing?)
     
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    Fair enough - let it be 1930 if it please YOU - An inexcusable Genocide
    that haunts Humanity to this day, as its DEMONS afflict us even NOW

    _________________________________________________________
    PART I
    I
    will try to deal with my thoughts on the faults of the US, Russian and Ukrainian policies
    that have caused this present TRAGEDY, in turn. Starting with this post as to just how US
    ................................................................................ policies helped to provoked and instigated it

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    From The Article - NATO WANTS A GROUND WAR
    https://altnews.org/2022/03/26/nato-wants-a-ground-war-in-ukraine/

    “What is important to our managerial and foreign policy elites, is, above all, the major effort and
    push for a globalist “Great Reset” using the Ukrainian conflict to finally accomplish their objective
    of bringing the entire world in accord with their plans for a New World Order. And to do that, Russia,
    which now stands athwart their designs, must be diminished and brought into line.”
    Boyd D. Cathey, The Unz Review

    &
    “The ideological continuity between the pandemic farce and the Russian-Ukrainian crisis continues
    to emerge, beyond the evidence of the events and statements of the subjects involved, in the fact
    that the ultimate perpetrators of both are the same, all attributable to the globalist cabal of the World
    Economic Forum.”
    (“Exclusive: Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò”, Gateway Pundit)

    &
    It looks to me like arming Ukraine was a deliberate provocation. Which it is. NATO stuffed the country
    full of weapons, trained its combat troops and paramilitaries, conducted military operations with NATO,
    ordered their army to the east so they could terrorize the ethnic Russian population, and then– to top it
    off– threatened to develop nuclear weapons. In short, they put a gun to Putin’s head and threatened
    to
    blow his brains out. If that’s not a provocation, then what is?
    _________________________________________________________



     
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    PART II on US - Blame
    What say the people who have -bought & paid - for the US Government ?
    "It has very little to do with the Ukraine - It's the World Economy we are after. - We have to take it down !
    In order to introduce our RESET to the CBDC, and we need a Scapegoat in order to do it. PUTIN Provides !
    As to the people of the Ukraine??? - too bad Tough on that."

    Look up the many warnings issued by highly respected Academics who made it their life's
    work to study of Russia and its Politics. Men like, Stephen Cohen, John Mearsheimer
    and Jack Matlock. They all warned that the unfettered eastward expansion of NATO and
    ....... the targeting & acceptance of The Ukraine, for NATO membership would result in the
    ....... utter .DESTRUCTION of The Ukraine, and the possibility of Nuclear War with Russia.
    ......................................................................................................................................... & here we are



    With a massive sophisticated Arms give away to The Ukraine and with the promise of :
    "We have YOUR Back !" da da The Ukraine became in effect a DEFATO NATO
    member. Threatened to become a Nuclear adversary and proceeded to attempt to
    ... play Hard Ball with Russia in the Donbas. Russia would NEVER tolerate the even
    .... the thought of a potentially Nuclear Armed adversarial Ukraine on its borders. Still
    .......... the American's allowed that card to be Played. Knowing what the result would be

    _________________________________________________________
    Look up some of the many Lectures that are available by these men. - Listen to them.
    Let them deliver their own Reasoning on this subject as they do it far more eloquently
    ......................................................................................................................................... than I can.
    _________________________________________________________
    I feel the best & most current on the subject
    PROFESSOR JOHN MEARSHEIMER
    AMERICA’S PART IN THE CRISIS IN UKRAINE
    0:00 thru to 24:00 then questions


    Other Lectures on the Subject found on Utube
    Stephen F. Cohen: The Ukrainian Crisis -
    It's not All Putin's Fault (Recorded in 2015
    )


    Jack Matlock - The Ukrainian Crisis:
    Reflections on Power in Today's World
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    The Hypocritical Double Standard - of missiles in Cuba BAD, but missiles in Romania,
    Poland & The Ukraine is just peachy Okay GOOD, just does not cut it with Russia

    Now, Instead of heeding these sober warnings - and duly recognizing Russia's legitimate
    security concerns. The USA arrogantly forged ahead with THEIR -clearly stated- psychotic
    .............. vision of "Full Spectrum Dominance" over the whole World and the imposition
    .............. of a US CONTROLED "Global Hegemony" - as outlined in the PNAC document
    .......................... "The New American Century." - The defining document that became
    ..................................... the Manifesto of American Foreign Policy for the 21st Century.

    Russia & China were to be bullied into submission with Proxi Wars and instigated Coups
    .............. They had NO RIGHT to any sphere of influence, NO RIGHT to protest the installation
    ................................................................................................................. of NUKEs near their borders.

    THEY then proceeded to encourage and inflame old latent Hatreds in (fringe) Ukrainians
    by instigating and funding, to the tune of, 5 Billion Dollars a Coup against an duly elected
    ................. Pro-Russian Ukrainian Government, - and proceeded to issue statements like,
    .................."WE HAVE YOUR BACK !" while at the same time promising eventual
    ..................................................................................... EU & NATO membership to The Ukraine.

    All done in hopes of causing trouble for the Russians and gaining CONTROL
    of the BlackSea and its port city of Sevastopol, Russia's only ice free port.

    Let alone do we mention the crashing of the World Economy and blaming

    ...................................... it all on Russia - or should we say psychopath PUTIN ?
    .................................................................. simple & stupid answers to serious & complex questions

    _________________________________________________________

    US Discouraging Zelensky from Concessions That Could End War
    .................................. Because War is ‘Bigger’ than Ukraine and Russia
    ................................ They Need Their F#cking War & care nothing for the people of The Ukraine !
    https://thefreethoughtproject.com/us-discouraging-zelensky-from-concessions-that-could-end-war-because-war-is-bigger-than-ukraine-and-russia/

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    Yeah, let's ignore the theft of Crimea, and the years of Russian funded fighting after that.

    Propaganda should be at least vaguely plausible...

    Now that we are in Putin's fourth revanchist conflict, some things are a bit on the obvious side.
     
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    We provided intelligence to the Iraqis. How they used it was their own business.
    No excuse needed to sink Iranian ships.
     
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