HORROR: Group of Teens Carjack 73-Year-Old Grandmother, Drag Her to Death in Front of Neighbors

Well, for starters, this is a state crime and not a federal crime. The only way the Supreme Court would hear this case would be the Constitutionality of something, not the facts determined in the crime under a trial judge. Geez.

 

I hope they face real justice. We've become a society numb to these most heinous of crimes and that's how this kind of wicked evil takes root. If there's any time for our activist left to be active, it's now. If they say they want to live in a better world, the AG should look into federal crimes for these four monsters.

 

the article said the four teens were arrested on second degree murder. Second degree murder is not eligible for the DP in Louisiana. Life without the possibility of parole yes, but not the DP.

 

They should get the same treatment as the three racist rednecks who dragged James Byrd behind their pickup truck with a chain until his body came apart.

 

Justice does not mean revenge. As long as their Miranda Rights are read, as long as all the proper proceedures and protocols are met, as long the 4 persons are treated innocent until proven guilty, then yes, it will be justice either by a plea bargain or by a trial of a jury of their peers. And whoever talks first will get the plea deal and a "lesser" sentence compared to the others.

 

It was a carjacking that resulted in murder of the victim. Not the same thing as three Georgia Adult Idiots who took the law into their own hands and badly, very badly, misjudged on the basis of race. Not the same thing. Both horrible, but for different reasons.

 

This is the DA:

Home - Orleans Parish District Attorney (orleansda.com)

That's campaign-speak for "soft on crime". He campaigned on a guarantee to not prosecute juveniles as adults.

The odds of there being actual justice for Frickey's murderers are extremely slim.

 

No. What you describe is "due process", and certainly the defendants deserve that. But that's not what "justice" is. It's perfectly possible, even commonplace, for all "due process" requirements to be met by our legal industry and yet an unjust outcome is the result. That's what I expect will happen in this case.

 

Due process is justice. justice is what the law should be their sentence by statute. If 2nd degree murder charges are held up, then the maximum punishment under the law is Life without the possibility of parole. Any thing more would violate the 8th admendment.

If you think a jury nullification would occur in this case, it won't. I expect this case to be tried in 2 or 3 years, all defendants having substantial bonds, which would mean county lockup, and eventually either plead guilty or found guilty.

 

I'm not concerned with jury nullification in this case. And I'm not even mildly concerned that there may be a miscarriage of justice through an over-sentencing. On the contrary, I think it's vastly more likely that an unjust outcome is reached because the defendants are going to be under-sentenced. If any of these four murderers are in prison beyond their 21st birthday (for this crime), I'll be shocked (but pleasantly so).

 

I don't think the 4 defendents would be getting an "under sentenced" whatever that means. If this goes to jury trial, the first phase is the guilt or innocense phase and the second part is the sentencing phase. With this type of crime, I think the sentence will be lengthy. Race in this case will have little to do with sentencing here, especially there was an eye witness to the alleged crime and forensic evidence to boot.

 

Is it the particular word / phrase you're hung up on, or are you having a hard time grasping the concept itself? "under sentenced" would be when someone is sentenced too lightly for a crime they've been convicted of for the outcome to be considered justice. For example, a murderer or rapist who is only sentenced to probation for their crime. Most people would look at that and say "WTF? That doesn't seem just."

Let me ask you this: what do you think a just sentence would be for these four (presupposing for purposes of our discussion that the evidence bears out their guilt at trial and they are convicted)?

 

LOL, no. As I said, it will be a lengthy sentence. Under state guidelines, even minimum sentences would be decades of prison time. Those aggravating factors, which would be presented in the punishment phase would detemrine how much of a sentence is determined. personally, I don't think you understand how the judical system works at all IMO.

For murder, statutes are very clear. With rape, the sentence can be more varied like the one in Texas where the judge ruled the afluenze defense allowed hime to serve little time at all. But when it comes to carjackings and a murder involved, like 2nd degree murder, there is no such thing as a light sentence.

Depending on the crime depends on the statute involved and what that sentence cam be. In very few instances, a light sentence for murder can be as much as two years. It's in Texas Statute called the crime of passion defense. It rarely succeeds, but it is by statute. Not the case given the facts with the carjacking case here. More than likely, the defense will try to get the eye witness to trip up or present evidence of socioeconomic factors to help reduce the sentence, aka has no father, no role model, etc. Those rarely work, very rare. So, I would not be too worried about it.

 

So the people who dragged Byrd were 'racists', but these women are not. Gotcha.

 

That's only the case if they're charged as adults. As noted previously, this DA campaigned in part on the very issue of not charging juveniles as adults. And if they're charged as juveniles, they'll be out when they're 21, at the latest.

Are you 100% certain that all four will be charged as adults? I'm not.

 

The problem is that the statistics doesn't say so. The statistics say that cops kill whites at a far greater number. Now is the time where you say, "but blacks are a much lower percentage of the population." What the statics can't say is at what rate do blacks commit crimes. What statistics can't say is why black people want to argue or resist police at a higher rate. What it can say is that black people kill other black people at a much greater rate. That black people are a higher percentage of those in poverty. That people in poverty commit crimes at a much greater rate. So why would it be surprising that black people would be arrested at a higher rate?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

I do agree that there is unnecessary excess violence, both from the cops and from the people. Does the latter influence the former? I would think so.

 

So suddenly a death does not matter if it is not politically convenient for the left? Sad.

Has AL Sharpton chimed in? He really cares about things like this.....

 

71% of murders in NOLA go unsolved.

 

This is in NOLA, the chocolate city, and the victim is white. Just another news day in NOLA.

 

Wow good thing they haven’t defunded the police lol

 

I see, old people don't matter.

 

As usual, the main point of something seems to escape you and your replies.

 

a video of the attackers

https://fox59.com/news/national-wor...t-gunpoint-moments-before-her-horrific-death/

they do not show them driving off, that part is cut out, but they do show them stealing the car before that point

I do think they need to be tried as adults

 

I am sure the defense team will try to get them tried in Juvenile court. However, there has been a movement with kids committing murder to be charged as adults and if charged as juveniles, they will max out in Juvi hall, and then spend the rest of their sentence in adult prision once they turn 18 or so. So, if they are 16 or 17, more than likely, they will be charged as a adult. Then there will be a preliminary hearing to justify that charge, and then the judge will rule. I seriously doubt in Louisiana that they will be tried as juvis.

 

Life without parole seems reasonable.

I am generally against the death penalty because of the retarded, expensive and cruel methods they use. If they instead used a 20 cent 12 gauge shell to the back of the head I'd support it.

Every now and then a story like this comes up that makes me want it.