Russia Angrily Demands U.S. Stop Sending Weapons to Ukraine

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  1. Mandelus

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    No one can win a nuclear war, neither the US, nor Russia...nor China. It doesn't matter if you can nuke the other 10 times or just 5 times, annihilated is annihilated and annihilated here means the whole planet is ultimately annihilated and just a radiant nuclear wasteland!
    Whoever shoots first, just dies second. This principle from the Cold War still applies today!
    I have no major worries or even fears, if only because these facts speak against it and nobody normally has suicidal thoughts ... not even a Putin!
    As long as nobody from the West ... NATO as a whole or even individual members ... actively goes into Ukraine with their armed forces to fight the Russian invaders, nothing is likely to happen any more than as long as Putin doesn't shoot on something terretories of NATO members for whatever reason.
     
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    Right ...
    China has quietly and secretly not only upgraded itself militarily to a very modern level. In other respects, too, they proceed very quietly and economically in strategic matters all over the planet. Take a look at Africa or South America and where China is suddenly everywhere to secure resources and also gain strategic influence via the economy.
    Trump was absolutely right about China, but the fool did everything wrong that could possibly be done wrong.
    For example, it was not well received when he ordered massive punitive tariffs against China, but then in the same breath against the European allies and made the idiotic assumption that the Europeans would put up with it, submit to his will and also him support against China. You really can't be more stupid than Trump here!
     
  3. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Not at all. The U.S. defense budget is a major point of discussion and debate every time Congress votes on it. There are no real secrets regarding it.
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Except none of that is true. Part of the "overkill" myth from the 1960s.
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I think his first 7 words are true..
     
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    Here's some interesting news from the possible Sweden attempt to join NATO... No public referendum will be held...

    I'm pretty sure it would be approved by the voting public, but they aren't going that way...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/swedish-pm-rejects-referendum-possible-135602095.html

    Also, I didn't know that the PM's party is against joining NATO, and still the reports are there Sweden might go anyway...
     
  7. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I don't. Any war is winnable. That doesn't mean it is good or pleasant just winnable.
     
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    Conventional weapons are outdated when tactical nuclear weapons are used.
     
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    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And from whose point of view are you coming from?
     
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    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your opinion of course. But how can you be so certain?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you hear the news today .. "speak of the devil" Biden just announced a 30 Billion dollar Ukraine Spending Package - Will the prophet strike again ? --- would be something if Biden ends up spending more on this war than Putin :)

    Not sure what point you were trying to make about spending going to "Op Costs" .. Yeah . it all adds up. Absolutely right about Russia.. after the wall fell .. Russia an economic disaster - knew it could not match the US plane for plane - ship for ship .. so they invested what the had in niche technology .. Missiles being one of those areas. Can built a whole lot of anti ship missiles at 1 million a pop - for the price of a 15 Billion dollar aircraft carrier - Op Costs - and Group.

    People make hay about this many tanks destroyed and that . - whats interesting is that "Tanks" are now obsolete .. in the face of modern missile and drone technology ... so this is getting rid of old useless inventory.

    While folks may realize that Tanks have gone the way of the Dino .. what they don't realize is that our entire Navel Fleet is in the same boat.. no stopping modern missile technology .. stuff fielded by Iran is lethal .. never mind what is coming out of the "Consortia" - Russia-India-China. After Russia introduced the "Sunburn" .. worlds first super sonic anti ship missile - in the mid 90s .. India joined in and China shortly after .. 2 decades they working on this stuff. We have seen some new tech the US has to offer .. "Ghost Drones" and so on.
    The Battlefield has changed lads.. witnesses to History we are :)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't lose interest in yourself mate - all is not lost :)
     
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    All that would be true if wars were fought by accountants.

    They aren't.
     
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    The point I was making was how many bases the US has compared to Russia worldwide that needs to be maintained. Maintenance that has nothing to do with weapons. I grew up on military bases and they are towns within towns. You never needed to leave the base for anything except sightseeing. A waste of money now that I think back on it but I guess Uncle Sam wants it's troops and their families to feel at home in foreign countries. Why do we need town like military bases in the US? As for the new weapons technology many satellites have been put into space and no one really knows what they are designed for. Mystery satellites.
     
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    Trump WAS the atrocity.
     
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    You have proof of this claim? I doubt you do.
     
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    Because NATO is a defensive organization. If a NATO member attacks Russia, for some unfathomable reason, they won't be doing it a NATO member, they'll be an individual country acting without NATO approval...
     
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    A mysterious Russian satellite displaying "very abnormal behaviour" has raised alarm in the US, according to a State Department official.

    "We don't know for certain what it is and there is no way to verify it," said assistant secretary Yleem Poblete at a conference in Switzerland on 14 August.

    She voiced fears that it was impossible to say if the object may be a weapon.

    Russia has dismissed the comments as "unfounded, slanderous accusations based on suspicions".

    The satellite in question was launched in October last year.

    "[The satellite's] behaviour on-orbit was inconsistent with anything seen before from on-orbit inspection or space situational awareness capabilities, including other Russian inspection satellite activities," Ms Poblete told the conference on disarmament in Switzerland.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45194333
     
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    And what excuse will that NATO country give Putin that would make a difference to him? Your example is exactly what I fear could get NATO involved.
     
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    I have no idea how to answer your hypothetical excuse question after your hypothetical attack question.

    NATO won't support if a member decides to attack unilaterally...
     
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    Whatever you need to tell yourself.

    I wouldn't worry too much about the inevitable though, especially if you're over 60. Might be a few years away yet.
     
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    Thanks for confirming it for the doubters!

    The roubles thing has either JUST happened, or is on the way in. Depends who you ask :)
     
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    As you will have noted, I wrote that the only thing close to certain is the demise of the US dollar.

    In the meantime, no need to go into a blind panic today. I'm sure you can hold fast to the dream of eternal American invulnerability for a while yet. At least while there's only the current number of homeless, and as yet no bombs or market collapse.
     
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    Ah ... yes, they're just harmless rice farmers and Eurotrash. And backwards too, right?
     
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    And that's the lie the Western media has propagated so successfully.

    Make it all about one devil man. It's our way ... apparently.
     

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