DeSantis moves against Disney with push to eliminate special status for Florida theme park

Don't be afraid to clarify.

 

Teaching what?

 

ESL and History, mainly. A lot of other subjects as well, though.

 

For those not familiar with 'insider', teachers' union jargon used by 'educrats', "ESL" is "English-as-a-Second-Language"... and those 'served' (at the expense of American taxpayers) are almost entirely migrants from Mexico/Central America.

But, the only word they need to know to barge into our American homeland is "asylum"... which is very close to "asilo" in Spanish. All the larger, better-organized migrant 'advocacy groups' have LOTS of clever people on their staffs who are quite fluent in all the commonly-used forms of Spanish, from Castilian to 'Norteño' dialects....

 

ESL is hardly "insider teacher's union jargon," and the majority of students taking ESL classes in America's schools were born right here in America.

 

You may be partially right! A lot of the students having to take "ESL" courses today were ANCHOR-BABIES, born in this country to "Mamacita" and "Papacito" after they illegally invaded our southern border and rooted themselves here because now they suddenly had a newly-born 'American citizen' to insure their 'ticket on the bus' to an endless welfare smorgasbord, courtesy of working, taxpaying real American citizens! I've watched this nauseating, Democrat Party-inspired travesty go on and on and on ever since the mid-1960's.

"ESL" courses in public American schools became a necessary expenditure because these migrants were too lazy and too spoiled by Spanish-speaking Democrat 'social workers' to trouble themselves to learn English. I've often wondered why it is that Spanish-speakers won't learn English, but nearly all the other migrants to the U. S. develop a working fluency in our language before getting here and needing to be provided with this 'service'....

 

There is no such thing as an "anchor baby." Having a US citizen baby does not change the parents immigration status.

 

Teaching English as a Second Language is as old as America, and has never been exclusive to native Spanish speakers.

 

You can stop wondering because it's not true.

 

You rarely hear this kind of 'apologia' nonsense from those whose first-language was something besides Spanish. To me it's always been interesting that some of the people who speak the very best English of all are those who migrated here from India, Pakistan, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, and, interestingly enough, from SPAIN.

Parenthetically, 120 years ago or so, when a lot of migrants came over here 'on a boat', many spoke no English at all -- but the ones who were determined to make a new, successful, happy life for themselves and their families learned English on their own... and quickly!

The only remaining point of curiosity I have about your background as a teacher is in knowing what kind of "history" you teach in the public schools. Discovering that might also tell us much about your viewpoints, nicht war...?

 

What "nonsense," exactly? I get the impression that YOU rarely hear anything from anyone whose first language is not English.

 

No, not "quickly." Their children who came with them learned at the same pace as most people do today. Their children born here learned quickly. THEIR children most often spoke English exclusively at home. Just like today.

 

No need for quotation marks. I teach US and World History.

 

There is no subject I enjoyed teaching more or any subject my students liked more than history. Like you, I taught other subjects—economics, mathematics, computer science, computer studies, accounting, marketing, business startups and more over 30+ years. I enjoyed them all, but history was always number one.

 

History is an extremely important subject, because it gives us our orientation as a country, a culture, and a civilization. Depending on how history is taught, it can either cause great disillusionment in, and diminishment of a people, or it can provide factual justification and affirmation about what a nation has done right, what it has done wrong, and indicate how it may better achieve better goals in the future.

Above all, those who teach history must be accurate and well-founded in what they claim actually happened and not simply inject their personal, highly-subjective interpretation of selected events in the past which are then used to enable the construction of a political 'narrative'.... And if that sounds like I'm describing those who today preach, and teach, 'critical race theory', '1619 project', and other White-race-hating 'wokesters', you'd be right!

But it also applies to any 'teacher' who uses the classroom as a political 'echo chamber'....

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I haven't made any comments towards this because I wanted to do a bit of research before talking on it. Wanted to make sure what DeSantis actually said and study what I could of the agreement made in '68.

As for DeSantis, yes, this was out of line for him to do. Big time. And yes, you can call it fascist. I do. Although according to the definition you insist is correct in the other thread would not apply here since he's not doing it for "extreme nationalistic" reasons. But your use of it here does show that you know that isn't a necessary part of the definition. In any case I do not agree with DeSantis doing this. And I would hope that it gets struck down in court because of it.

But it should be noted that this was going to happen eventually anyways (and probably should). Apparently this was in the works for awhile and was going to be proposed eventually anyways. There was even an agreement at one point that made it to where Orange County agreed to not challenge the charter until at least 1996. Additionally Its not like Disney held up their part of the bargain made in '68. Walt Disney proposed EPCOT "Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow" LINK: EPCOT (concept) - Wikipedia as a reason to allow Disney to get the special privilege agreement made in '68. Something the Disney Board abandoned after Walt Disney died because they didn't want to deal with building the city. That IMO kind of nulled the agreement on a moral standing, if not a legal standing.

 

Your post, so far so good. But, I must clarify, you are combining two different characteristics of fascism. There is authoritarianism and there is excessive nationalism. Not "because".... just "and".

I don't see any benefit to Orange County in challenging the charter. As far as I can see it's just like an "extra tax" that Disney imposes on itself. But if it is to disappear, I hope it's because its disappearance benefits Florida.

However, your analysis is very informative.

 

Under our policy of prohibition during the last 100 years, drugs laced with other drugs is what happens in the black market.

Under a system of legal and taxed drugs, that does not happen, except for certain EUA drugs.

For recreational drugs, it is better to have drugs of known and regulated purity and strength. With our present system that seldom happens.

 

The autocratic Swamp Thing had no problem when Disney contributed more than $100,000 to the Friends of Ron DeSantis political action committee. When it attempted to exercise free speech, it was time to attack free market capitalism.

Supreme Court, 1958 ruling: “To deny an exemption to claimants who engage in certain forms of speech is, in effect, to penalize them for such speech. Its deterrent effect is the same as if the State were to fine them for this speech.”
Speiser v. Randall, 357 U.S. 513 (195

Statism is spreading like kudzu in the dangling appendage state - Tallahassee bureaucrats seizing control of wombs, education, medicine, local governance, and rabid authoritarians love to kowtow to such statist oppression.

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Such retaliatory action by the State has been ruled illegal:
“To deny an exemption to claimants who engage in certain forms of speech is, in effect, to penalize them for such speech. Its deterrent effect is the same as if the State were to fine them for this speech.”
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/357/513/

 

Perhaps and isnt that disgusting on its face? Someone born here and English is the second language? If you are born English is your first language. I saw it everyday when my kids were in elementary school and kids were being dropped off in car line. You can count the illegals and anchor babies a mile away.

 

It's disgusting that American kids receive an education in America?

??????

 

There is no such thing as an "Anchor baby."

 

Wow. Everyone is born speaking English?

 

Fake news. That's a tax exemption widely available to CA Vets. This is a special carve out that only five other businesses had enjoyed this long; all six lost the special provision. The criteria by which they lost the special carveout wasn't speech they engaged in or didn't engage in, it was carve outs granted before 1968 would revert to the same status as the vast majority of other businesses in the state.

But, if Disney thinks their special privileges have been violated, they are welcome to litigate it.