Covid revealed our weaknesses

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  1. (original)late

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    Love the paranoia!
     
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    True, HOWEVER, in reference to our last Covid/Omicron surge, Republicans were posting the following belief;

    “The number of Covid/Omicron cases is irrelevant”

    Thus, according to Republicans, you stating the fact that SK is currently experiencing a record high level of Omicron cases is IRRELEVANT.

    Agree or disagree?
     
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    We both seem to agree that currently SK is experiencing a record number of cases so they apparently aren't any better at fighting the virus than anyone else.
     
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    Quote; “so they apparently aren’t any better at fighting the virus than anyone else”

    I disagree with that notion, and here are the main reasons......

    ........Since the beginning of the pandemic, SK has maintained the same Covid Testing and contact tracing standards;

    a. Koreans who wants a Covid Test, are being tested

    b. Koreans who needs a test, are being tested

    c. Koreans who were told to get a test, were tested

    Whereas in the U.S, and in most Western countries, we have prioritized Omicron testing, and drastically reduced contact tracing.

    Note; Remember this Trump’s saying; “An increase in Covid cases is due to more testing”

    Thus, for said reasons, the numbers of U.S./SK Omicron cases are rationally incomparable.
     
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    If anything it proves how willing people are to accept loss of rights in the name of safety
     
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    If you believe this crap then there is the Hope for you.
     
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    We were ill prepared for something that had never happened before that was unforeseen imagine that. It's almost like people can't know the future before it happens.
     
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    Please pay attention. The virus is surging in SK.
     
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    If you take a look at Hopkins map [https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html], you will note that now the virus is withdrawing at global level.
    What's interesting is that Germany is today the country with the greatest number of cases [but without great consequences: the German population is vaccinated]. South Korea is at the second place. France and Italy follow. But as I can see here around, we are living a normal spring.

    It's surprising to find out that China has declared to have counted more than 730,000 cases in the last 28 days ... with good peace of the "zero Covid" policy! But in China they have to consider that their vaccine is less efficient than ours and that a good percentage of their elders is not vaccinated. They risk more than us.
     
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    Yes it is!

    However, you also stated that SK isn’t better than other nations at preventing/minimizing a Covid surge.

    IMO, you independent brain is malfunctioning.

    ———-

    Here’s my belief;

    Covid statistics among nations/states are rationally incomparable, and the main reason why;

    There are too many factors to take into consideration, both negative and positive.

    Example of a negative factor;

    Other than the U.S., how many nations had a testing screwup that nearly halted lab results/contact tracing during a period when Covid cases were doubling every 4 to 5 days?
     
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    There WAS a plan in place - it just wasn't followed.
     
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    So what was the plan?
     
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    Initially, there was no plan, just a goal; To keep a deadly and highly contagious virus out of the country.

    Actions taken;

    .......Mid January 2020; CDC started screening airline passengers from China at 3 main international airports, and infected travellers were isolated.

    .......End of January 2020; Trump’s travel ban from China

    Note; Goals are the first step towards planning

    Example:

    DeSantis; “The name of the game is to keep Floridans out of hospitals”

    However, the question is; How?......What’s the plan?
     
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    So no plan?
     
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    Example of a goal; To develop, mass produce, distribute, and administer an effective vaccine before year end.

    Example of a plan; Operation Warp Speed
     
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    I was talking to the person that claimed there was a plan.
     
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    I know.......

    Throughout the pandemic, our Fed/State/local officials have set many goals, and have developed/implemented many plans, however, the question is; How effective were the plans?

    Thus, what plan wasn’t followed, hence, what plan was inneffective, and/or unsuccessful?
     
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    It's hard to say that they were the slightest bit effective.
    Yeah my point was I doubt there was a plan a real one at least. And the goal is obvious.
     
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    In addition to the above.....


    OWS was well planned/executed, and according to many Republicans, “The 8th wonder of the world”, however, most countries ended up surpassing our vaccination rates.

    Thus, things do not always go according to “the best plan”
     
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    You said SK was handling Covid better than just about anyone else. I proved to you that cases were surging there. That's not handling things very well.
     
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    Quote; I proved to you that cases were surging in South Korea

    TRUE

    Quote; That’s not handling things very well

    AN IRRATIONAL OPINION

    Fact; In XYZ country, Omicron ended up overwhelming both contact tracing, and Covid testing, and for said reasons, they’ve prioritized Covid testing to the most vulnerable. Thus, in said XYZ country, the number of confirmed Omicron cases became immaterial.

    Fact; In South Korea, Omicron doubled their number of contact tracers, and Covid testing remained unlimited, and at the State’s expense.

    ONCE AGAIN, based on the number of confirmed Omicron cases, and in an effort to determine which country handled Omicron the best and/or worst, we can’t rationally compare South Korea and said XYZ country.
     
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    Ahhh, another Jim Jones, and we don't even have to bother going to Guyana.
     
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    LOL. So, when I prove to you that cases in SK are currently among the worst in the entire world and say that that means they aren't handling things well, you're response is it is my irrational opinion? Did it ever occur to you that SK "handled" things well in the past only because they have no land borders with other countries? They are an island with only the completely closed nation of NK as a border. That's the main reason they handled things well in the past and the very same reason why they are handling things so poorly now, because their past handlings were nothing but the luck that they have no land borders with other countries. Now their luck has run out and they ain't got nuttin. All I want to do is stop you from spreading misinformation. If misinformation isn't allowed from the right then it shouldn't be allowed from the left either. Quit saying how well SK is handling things when they are currently one of the worst countries in the entire world in dealing with surging new cases.
     
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