MID-TERMS are coming fast and the outcome is clear. What happens then?

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The republicans will easily own both houses of Congress- the only question would be how big the margin is. There's a good chance it will be veto-proof. The agenda will be loaded with tasks to reverse damages, restore order and address problems, so that the future will bring a better and brighter America. What will be the top priorities?

    Some of the possibilities:

    1. Build the border wall, enforce the laws being ignored now.
    2. Restore energy independence.
    3. A solid plan to restore supply chain viability
    4. A solid plan to back down inflation and stabilize the economy
    5. Get politics out of schools
    6. Find a way to prevent social media from becoming propaganda mills
    7. A plan to address the failures to prosecute so many criminals.

    That's of course just a few, we all have priorities.
    What would you have them tackle?
     
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    Don't get your hopes up. Authoritarians don't give away power easily. Don't discount more drop boxes and other vote shenanigans in the 2024 election.
     
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    Don't you need 67 Senators for Veto proof? Don't see any chance for that in 2022
     
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    Hopefully shortly after the election stupid Xoe will be impeached.
     
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    There aren't enough Senate seats open in 2022 for the GOP to become veto proof even if you won every single election, even the ones in deep blue states where you are double digits behind in the polls.
     
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    1. Border walls do not solve the root causes of illegal immigration, just the system. It is ineffective at the least and a quagmire at its worst.
    2. We are already energy-independent. We produce more energy as a whole than we consume whether Fossil, renewable, nuclear, etc.
    3. Supply chain is more global than local. Right now, India has stopped all wheat exports because of a severe drought in the region. That means wheat prices, and the by-products that use wheat will go up based on the future's market mechanism.
    4. Fiscal policies do not work and only the FED can solve the inflation issue using Monetarist policies.
    5. Well, you are putting politics INTO schools now by denying certain groups their Civil Rights, namely LGBTQ people.
    6. Social Media sites, both Traditional and Far-Right ones. Let companies decide how they are to operate instead of government interference for a short-term political gain.
    7. Like Trump and his associates for violating federal statutes. Betsy Devos who is alleged to have siphoned off millions from federal grants and contracts when she was head of the Department of Education. But then again, it is not about using the law to investigate all criminals, just the criminals you allegedly politically disagree with by violating the equal protection clause.
     
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    Bold assumption democracy will last that long. I can't see Democrats being as willing to let a GOP majority take hold after 1/6. They are angry, and incredibly reluctant to let the GOP take over. To be frank? Don't blame them but if the GOP is going to do things like continue to foster doubts about the 2020 presidential election and implement voter restrictions, Democrats are going to be less likely to let them take power again.
     
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    No I really don't think that will happen, even though it is a notion heavily supposed by the MSM. I am with Rep. Eric Swalwell D-CA, who recently opined in a TV interview that the opposite will occur. You guys might think that folks are ninnies but I do not. By the time November rolls around, Americans will have woken up to the bland truth: that the Republican party is the party of DESPERATION more than anything else. Of course, their desperation manifests in all sorts of ills. In case you don't realize, GOP's desperation is because they know that they are going the way of the Whig party - to the scrap heap ...and it isn't very far away.
     
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    The question is: Who will they blame if they take Congress and worldwide inflation and high energy prices continue? It's actually one thing to constantly trash Biden for all of the ills our nation currently faces, but quite another to actually legislate to improve America. And, GOP Congress critters have proven absolutely incompetent in legislating in the past decades. Other than being the party of no and pushing through extremist RW SC judges, they haven't gotten anything done. Oh, there was Trump's budget busting tax cut. Maybe they'll try for another one, THAT will get inflation under control....
     
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    Dems are the authoritarians - he's talking if GOP succeeds.
     
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    Just 60.
     
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    That is to just avoid the filabuster issue

    Which will become moot in 2025 because I expect Trump to want to remove that barrier if necessary
     
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    You are correct - thank you.
     
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    Border walls DO control immigration- allowing us to regulate,qualify and generally control the traffic into the country. Nothing works perfectly- but only a jackass destroys the locks on his doors because they are not impossible to defeat.

    Too bad you are blind to the massive criminal conspiracies that have blossomed out of the liberal/democrat side of politics. Then- you would actually have a lot to talk about that would actually be real. That, of a liberal who thinks giving the country away makes sense.

    IF we were energy independent in a practical state, we would be buying $22 Million a day in petro from Russia.

    My business does business something over 110 countries. Chances are I know a hell of a lot more about the supply chain than you, and the bulk of our problems ARE domestic. They are complicated in international trade by OUR policies more than any outside the country- and these are troubles the Biden administration can't understand, let alone figure out how to make work.

    The government does not make us- we make it. When too many of th "us" advocate stupity, the government gives it to us. When we stop acting foolish and demand competence, we can get that too- but what ever we sill tolerate will determine what we live with.

    There' no denying civil rights to those people, and you know it. What's wrong is not the idea they are who they are- but that they demand everybody else celebrate it.


    As always, you spend your time throwing trash on the table to hide what you don't want to acknowledge.
     
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    MID-TERMS are coming fast and the outcome is clear. What happens then ?

    ~ I am thinking both sides will make accusations of voter fraud/manipulation. Only one will be correct ...
     
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    I think you have the cart before the horse. If the election were held today, the GOP should win back control of the house. But we’ll have to wait until redistricting is complete to get a better picture of the situation. You have 46 states that have completed their redistricting with a bunch still in litigation. The four states left are Kansas, New York, Missouri and New Hampshire. 395 districts are now completed, leaving 40 districts to be redrawn. There are 42 competitive, switchable, at risk districts. Currently held by 31 Democrats and 11 Republicans. That probably translate into around 15 seat gain. But we don’t know which states in litigation will have to redraw their districts or how the 4 remaining states will draw theirs.

    The senate, it boils down to 6 tossup states at the present. Democratic held Georgia, Arizona, Nevada and GOP held North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. The rest look safe to remain with the party that now holds them. I’d say going by the numbers today, that there won’t be more than a seat or two change, either way or back to a 50-50 tie.

    There’s still over 5 months left before the midterms. That’s a lot of time for things to change. Will it, no one knows. We don’t know if the abortion issue or the 1-6 hearings will benefit the Democrats or not. Who knows what other unforeseen event that might take place that could affect the midterms?

    If the election were held today, the GOP would retake the house, the senate is still 50-50. That’s as far as I’m willing to go with a forecast. Way too much time left to write the results in stone at this time.
     
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    Oh, on your list, in an era when Republicans automatically oppose any democratic proposal and vice versa. Democrats automatically opposing any Republican proposal. There will be nothing accomplished, even if the GOP were successful at gain control of both chambers, Biden would veto any Republican proposal. The Republicans won’t have the numbers to override any veto. So what you’re proposing is a dream list that can never happen.
     
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    Given the way the last election was handled, anything is possible- legal or not, obviously. But assuming it is done legit.
    There's a lot of democrats who feel very strongly that the party has left them- and that any option is better than more of the same.

    The people in Vegas who make odds on betting cover about everything in politics. They track the betting and that translates into odds.
    Right now, the chances of winning control of the house is 86% for republicans, 14% for democrats.
    The odds in the senate are 74% republican, 26% democrat.
    There are 35 senate seats in the election. The present split is 50/50. The republicans need 17 or more dem seats flipped to have a super majority. That is very unlikely- but there will be many surprises here.
    Given that the ongoing disasters are steadily eroding any confidence in the left, those odds are likely to be a lot better by november.
     
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    14 of the 35 are held by democrats, so even if the republicans won every one (they won't), still not veto proof
     
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    60 votes to break filibuster and yes, 67 to override a veto.

    The betting markets figure we'll get to 53 in 2022.

    We could take the Presidency and 60 Senate seats in 2024 though.

    The argument is that while 2022 will be bad for the Democrats, 2024 will be worse.

    And if we take the presidency in 2024, it's unlikely we will have to override vetos.
     
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    I agree on all - but my opinion remains, if they don't have at least 60 in 2024 (assuming Trump is president) - he will make sure that whomever the majority leader is will nuke the filabuster
     
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    I don't expect it to be Trump and it's unlikely that the Senate will yield to the President on this. Presidents are there a max of 8 years, Senators will be in town way longer than that. There is a pretense in DC that the President runs the show, but, the reality is that really it's congress. I doubt that Trump ever pushed McConnell into anything, and frankly, even the Senate majority leader can't make a fellow Senator buckle, look at Manchin.
     
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    Many thanks for responding to my voiced sentiment. I still don't concur with that assessment. Folks are smart enough to know that circumstances have brought about inflation and that it is happening the world over. 'Brought about by the pandemic for one, by climate change induced drought for another, by the devastation of the world's bread basket, Ukraine, as well; plus your basic opportunistic price gouging by giant companies. Being un-stupid, people aren't going to blame Democrats for inflation. Likewise they aren't going to blame Democrats for Putin's war. Similarly, they won't blame Democrats for failure to pass a voting rights bill because, being un-stupid, they will know that Republicans are to blame for that.
    What I just said. If there are disasters then folks will lay the blame where blame is due.

    But the biggest factor that you're missing is that the GOP has left itself wide open to criticism on many key fronts and advertising geniuses hired by DNC will capitalize on that in spades. The GOP is in defiance of popular sentiment and folks are going to learn about it. They're going to learn about Republican duplicity, Republican hypocrisy, Republican lying, Republican lawlessness -- especially about the lawlessness. Yo, that leaked Alito paper was golden. The Right just shot themselves in the foot in full public view. Voters are not going to be happy about the corruption of the U.S. Supreme Court!
     
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    ~ I think Pompeo will run. He is CIA — I don't trust him .
     
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    And they get to impeach Biden.
     
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