How can we stop the rockets from landing on Sderot, Israel?

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How can the rockets be stopped from landing on Sderot, Israel?

  1. a U.S. Military FEL...or FREE ELECTRON LASER system

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  2. a series of low cost reality plus semi-reality science fiction films

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  3. Israel must go back to her 1967 borders for starters....

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  4. God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land by Robert Mendelson

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  5. Poll the Bermigo Plan by Mr. Gordon Miller

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  6. Other.... please be specific in a reply.....

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter thirty seven will transform the relationship between Israel with all of her neighbouring nations....
    which... will lead to neighbouring nations NOT even wanting to shoot rockets at any Israeli City, not even Sderot.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/37/1/s_839001

    The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

    Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

    And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

    And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanestby these?

    Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim,and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them onestick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

    And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

    And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen,whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side,and bring them into their own land:

    And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

    Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

    And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
     
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    False. The Bush "pathway" identified actions that Israel and Palestine had to take before entering negotiations.

    Palestine met its obligations.

    Israel did not.
    Bulldozing homes on the grounds that Palestinians in West Bank didn't have Israeli building permits, bulldozing orchards, stealing water rights, ruling a population by foreign military rule, enforcing that rule by use of mercenaries, etc., etc.

    There is no question that these are atrocities.

    LOOK AT A MAP DRAWN BY ISRAEL.
    The government of West Bank is totally opposed to Hamas.

    They made a strong move to displace Hamas from Gaza, and ISRAEL took strong measures to PREVENT that.

    If you don't like Hamas, then you don't like Israel.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Are you suggesting that the OT gives Israel the right to bulldoze the homes of Palestinians in West Bank?
     
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    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    Let's talk after USA return California and Texas to the Mexicans.
    Jordan is Palestine :thumbsup:
     
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    Only to those who act filthy brutal terror.
    We know many Palestinian Bedouins support violence and terror.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually I am suggesting that the Lost Tribes of Israel are going to be RESTORED.....
    (and only the God of Abraham knows the full extent of what their restoration will be).......
    and I believe that the Palestinians are significantly descended from the Messianic Jewish community of the first and second century.....
    who did NOT join in the Bar Kochba Revolt... and thus.... were NOT expelled from the Holy Land by the Romans after the Bar Kochba Revolt was crushed....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsvi_Misinai

    I believe that the Roman Catholic Bible, (that is made up of documents written by Jewish prophets and gifted mystics), adds details about what is going to happen over
    the up coming decades and centuries that when all of this is fulfilled we will all be in awe.

    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/26048.htm

     
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    The significant majority of UN countries know that Palestine is West Bank + Gaza.

    You can't change that with geography or history.
     
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    This is absolutely false.

    We know that people fight for the land they own.

    Surely you can not be so idiotic as to expect that nobody will fight back if you start bulldozing homes and orchards, stealing water rights, stealing property, ruling with government that includes NO REPRESENTATION (in caps, as it is the reason for the American revolution).
     
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    IN NO CASE do we change modern borders in order to match ancient documents.

    Not only that, but when borders are redrawn, those whose property is affected become citizens of the new country they find themselves in, and they retain FULL PROPERTY RIGHTS.

    And, even more than that, if you start bulldozing peoples homes, denying political representation, destroying livelihoods, YOU WILL GET OPPOSED.

    People do not accept humanitarian atrocities such as YOU PROMOTE.
     
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    What is false ???
    That another filthy palestinian Kalb butchered 4 Israeli citizens today with an axe ?
    This is the Palestino Jihado way of life.
     
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    When Israel carries out humanitarian atrocities against West Bank, then that IS what is going to happen.

    That doesn't make it right.

    But, your WHINING about that is just plain DISGUSTING.

    You aren't going to get anything similar to peace when you carry out a program of humanitarian atrocities.
     
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    Palestinians are murderes !!
    I understsnd Arabs.
    An axe !! In the Israelis heads.
    Kalbs
     
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    Israel is murdering FAR MORE Palestinians.
     
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    REF: How can we stop the rockets from landing on Sderot, Israel?
    SUBTOPIC: Murder! Who? When, where, and why...
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    Tell me about a specific event. And let us talk about the exemptions the anti-Israeli and pro-Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have from binding law.

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    Lots of anti-Israeli and pro-Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) make these claims without any context to the events that precipitated these claims.


    Article 68 GCIV.png

    Please let us all know just what ends justify what means? When the HoAP commits any offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (the Israelis), the HoAP violates the Customary and International Humanitarian Law as cited above.

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    Each time anti-Israeli or pro-HoAP advocates for armed struggle, directed against the Israelis, they violate the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; as cited above.

    I completely understand that the HoAP believes that their need justifies the deadly ends to achieve their political ends. But nothing exempts them from binding law.

    Each time a member of the HoAP gets up on the podium and claims that they have a right to kill Jews, they are inciting violence. Each time a member of the HoAP says it is a "human right" for Palestinians to kill Jews, they become an accomplish and set another foot on the path of criminal behaviors. Each time an organ Human Rights or Humanitarian Organization of the United Nations attempts to clear a path for the HoAP and promotes the PA/Fatah: Terror is the "path to victory," Dead terrorists “are our heroes… who illuminate the path for our people… We all need to be like [them],” they openly admit that the UN activity promotes terrorism. Each donor nation that contributes funding to the cause of the HoAP, they are openly violating the International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism.
    • They openly ignore the requirement for the parties to take steps to prevent and counteract the financing of terrorists, whether direct or indirect, through groups claiming to have charitable, social, or cultural goals or which also engage in illicit activities such as drug trafficking or gun running;
    It is virtually impossible for the HoAP to deny these charges, as they make a big deal about publicizing the heroism, the stipends to perpetrators, and the political cover for them to shield the deadly activity.



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    I'm not arguing about who has the right to slaughter others.

    Terrorism is not a right, for example.

    That is just not the point.

    Israel is perpetrating humanitarian atrocities on a HUGE scale.

    Given that Palestine doesn't have the weapons, Israel CAN and DOES slaughter Palestinians in large numbers for Palestinian efforts at combat.

    I'd also point out that Abbas OPPOSES military and terrorist action against Israel.

    His efforts have been focused on the UN and rights organizations associated with the UN, in an attempt to appeal to LAW. He has a long record of OPPOSING terrorism, to the point that the Israeli military considers Abbas as their partner in that effort - to the point that they have specifically allowed Abbas weapons to combat terrorism even when those weapons have been banned for Palestine.


    The bottom line is that Israel is stealing land, possessions, water rights, rights of representation in their government, and has focused on humanitarian atrocity as mentioned.

    From there, Israel WHINES that Palestinians fight back in the ONLY WAY that they can, given that the USA AIDS Israel in their atrocities and world law is not willing to hold Israel accountable for their atrocities - or even the borders as determined.


    The way for Israel to slow terrorism is to STOP THE ATROCITIES.

    Let's remember that America held an armed revolution due to Americans having minimal representation in the government that led the colonies under the King.

    That is TRIVIAL compared to Israel's assaults and crimes that continue against Palestine.
     
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    This is what Arab schools teach their kids... That's why Only an Arab can hit another innocent human in the head with an Axe.
    Palestinians = ISIS
     
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    No, the death toll numbers are well known.

    You bulldoze their homes and orchards and they get POed.

    Poor, poor you.
     
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    REF: How can we stop the rockets from landing on Sderot, Israel?
    SUBTOPIC: Rational Thought...
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    Do you really believe that the Israelis get up in the morning and take destructive actions against the Arab Palestinian just for the sheer pleasure of it?

    (COMMENT)

    Surely, the Israelis have some criteria for such action. Help refigure this out.

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    Last week Two Palestinians got up in the morning and butchered 3 Israeli civilians with an axe just for the sheer pleasure of it..
     
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    You want me to figure out a justification for Israel continuing to commit humanitarian atrocities against Palestinians?

    Seriously???

    There IS no justification for that.

    Just like there is no adequate justification for terrorism.

    But, the OP is about what it takes to stop.

    The FACT is that Israel is fully in control, and Palestine has no such control of what is transpiring.

    It is Israel that denies large numbers of Palestinians in West Bank representation in the government by which Israel rules them. It is Israel who continues stealing the land that belongs to Palestine and to individual Palestinians. It is Israel who fights against the application of international law. It is Israel that rules Gaza as an open air prison, with those there in hunger, yet denied the international right of fishing their waters, of commerce (including EXPORTS!), etc.

    It is Israel that went all out to prevent the Abbas government from subsuming Gaza and knowingly supported Hamas to stay in power in Gaza.


    We know what caused our own forefathers to shoot British military persons from cover as they marched down roads. We know the importance of representation.

    WE ALL KNOW what has to change.

    Etc., etc.
     
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    REF: How can we stop the rockets from landing on Sderot, Israel?
    SUBTOPIC: Justification
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    The Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), the anti-Israelis, and pro-Palestinians for Violence are all the justification the Israelis need.

    Every single time the HoAP launches rockets, mount homicidal acts and commits Criminal Acts, directed against the State of Israel with the intention of → or calculated to → cause death or serious bodily injury to the civilian population, the incident becomes a stand-alone felony.

    When such activity becomes an active part of a hostile campaign, the purpose of such act, is to intimidate an Israeli civilian population in an effort to compel the general population to act in the HoAP's best interest, THEN it becomes terrorism.

    When these acts violate the customary international humanitarian law (IHL), it becomes punishable under Article 68 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

    (COMMENT)

    Article 51 [ Link ] Additional Protocol -- Protection of the civilian population
    The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack. Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.

    It covers rocket attacks as well as car attacks and knifing incidents.

    Again, this is punishable in Article 68. Those who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power.


    (COMMENT)

    The various factional leaders need to stop the incitement dialog and diatribes and cease hostile operations. And they need to gradually lower the rhetoric. Otherwise, the hostilities will never take hold.

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    Abbas has a long history of cooperation with the ADF - to the point that Abbas is allowed significant weapons once denied, so that he can combat terrorism. (Remembering that Abbas can not combat terrorism when Israel allows him no arms.

    This is just one of the usually ignored factors - Israel ruling Palestine, incapacitating them, and then accusing them for the result.

    Abbas is the one appealing to the UN.

    America is the one working to DENY NEGOTIATIONS, including ANY steps toward the objective stated in the OP.

    And, of course it is Israel who is wrecking havoc on Palestine - including individual rights, property rights, economic rights, representation rights.

    The USA considers those acts as justification for revolutionary war.

    So, unless you have an excuse for our founders being DEAD WRONG, you need to figure out a defensible position for yourself.
     
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    I call him Abu Adolf Mazen.
    The Arab Palestinian leader that pays millions to terrorist murderers :machinegun:
     
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    REF: How can we stop the rockets from landing on Sderot, Israel?
    SUBTOPIC: Justification
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    This is simply propaganda and misinformation in itself.

    (COMMENT)

    I don't think a week goes by that the Arab Palestinians do not:

    ◈ Advocates hatred, hostility, or acts of violence against Israel.
    ◈ Praises enthusiastically honor and eulogizes terrorists, jihadists, militant Islamists, and insurgents, killed or captured while performing asymmetric warfare against Israel.
    ◈ Provides monetary incentives to those involved in criminal activity.

    (COMMENT)

    This is just so wrong. The US is a member of the Middle East Quartet which is trying to set the stage for the negotiations for peace. It is the Arab Palestinians that openly have a policy to avoid a peaceful solution.

    (COMMENT)

    In any conflict that is more than a half-century in duration, is going to show signs of political abuse on the part of one side or the other. In the case of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the Palestinians rejected the November 1947 solution and commenced with hostile activities.

    Since the San Remo convention of the Supreme Council of the Allied Powers, the vanquished opponents associated with Operations against the Ottoman Empire, have consistently opposed opportunities to avoid further conflict.
    The Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) consistently rejected the validity of the "Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution," and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. And that Policy still exists today. The HoAP, no matter how much they profess to the contrary, is the most serious violator of human rights law (the Fourth Geneva Convention and the Convention on Civil and Political Rights) that were put in place to protect the parties to the conflict. And the HoAP does not follow the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and cooperation among States.

    Just My Take on the Situation,
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    I have repeatedly asked apologists for Zionist land theft, home destruction, apartheid and mass murder what they would do if foreign invaders stole their home of generations, murdered their family members and herded them into a fetid open air prison but all I hear is crickets.

    So much for the "lessons of the holocaust"

    Thanks,
     
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