Nebraska GOP governor says he will call a special session to pass total abortion ban if Roe is overt

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  1. cd8ed

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    I posted a text source which says “
    • Reasons individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy include medical concerns such as fetal anomalies or maternal life endangerment, as well as barriers to care that cause delays in obtaining an abortion.
    This details some of the reason https://theconversation.com/amp/les...rd-trimester-heres-why-people-get-them-182580

    https://www.insider.com/what-is-a-late-term-abortion-why-women-have-them-2019-5?amp

    For the record I am against abortions in general, I would much rather we focused on preventing unwanted pregnancies but I believe forcing a woman to act as an unwilling incubator because a bureaucrat deems it so is much more abhorrent.
     
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    You seriously think it’s more abhorrent to expect someone to live with the consequences OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS… than it is to murder a life who had NOTHING to do with it?

    Are you freaking serious right now?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don’t disagree here but the issue doesn’t stop there.

    The question is should the government be able to remove the bodily autonomy of US citizens or make them support the lives of others through their body?
     
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    It actually does go into the medal aspects in the body but does say the majority are actually for the mother not having the ability to have an abortion earlier due to financial constraints or difficulty getting to a clinic.

    That indicates to me it is an access issue as to why they are waiting and not completely elective as there was a reason for the delay.

    Wouldn’t you agree

    Also, I don’t understand the snark when someone asks for a source. Some people here actually want to learn and participate in a discussion instead of constantly attacking others. Strange concept, I know.
     
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    Would the last person to leave Nebraska please turn out the lights?
     
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    No what it says is they fall into five categories… ONE of which is access. The others are birth control.

    Though I will apologize for the snark. I agree if more people would source and look at sources we would be better off.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok, What is a woman? (Without looking anything up)
     
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    What actions did a woman take to get raped or have their birth control fail?

    If someone causes a car wreck and one of the individuals loses an organ should the at fault party be forced to relinquish that organ?
     
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    The government already does this, and has done it for a long time. Even right after Roe, the government routinely removed the bodily autonomy of women who were in the third trimester of pregnancy. Almost nobody has a problem with that either. Only the most radical extremists support third-trimester elective abortions.

    And while this is mostly a discussion about abortion, government routinely "violates" people's bodily autonomy in all sorts of other ways too: drug laws, prostitution, selective service, child support, etc.

    Simply put: "bodily autonomy" isn't a right that the government has ever adhered to.
     
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    I don’t think many people would be upset if late trimester abortions were banned except for medical reasons. Ty for the sources

    I do still have issues with people being in control of their own body however, this is one of the reasons why I was against mandates vaccination even if it saved lives because once we start telling people you no longer control your own body I believe that leads to a dangerous path.
     
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    Well at least I am constant I guess, I disagree with all of those laws as well.
     
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    Yes, and I'm not unsympathetic to the assertion that the government should be more respectful of citizens' bodily autonomy, I'm just pointing out that they are not, and have not been, in myriad ways. FWIW, I'd start with some of those other areas first, rather than abortion, if we want to reinvigorate "bodily autonomy" as a right, because unique to abortion, unlike those other cases, there's another body / life, being destroyed / having its bodily autonomy violated in the most fundamental way.
     
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    Then why do states that have written law that allows for late term do not write in stipulations, such as my own state of Colorado. Any women at any stage, up to birth, can have an abortion.

    I've stated before and will state it again, if there would be at least restrictions of 23 weeks for no restrictive abortions and only written exceptions such as still born, major deformities and or the life of the mother for anything after 23 weeks, I think there would be more agreement from the right. The problem is the left advocates for to far left and the right then advocates to far to the right. We need more centrist.
     
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    This is a term limited lame duck Governor virtue signaling.

    I will be very surprised if anything like this ever passes if the SC even allows that possibility.

    If something like this proposal did pass and people moved away that would be exactly the way this country was set up to work. State’s rights, democracy, freedom of association, etc. in action.

    Democracy is either good or bad. It can’t depend on whether you like the specific issue democracy addresses or dislike it. Rights are either rights or they aren’t. You can’t pick and choose the ones you like.

    All politics aside, I hope you are right and a bunch of people move away. It’s getting too crowded in most of the state anyway. :)
     
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    Female of the human species
    Did I miss something?
     
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    You'd do well to review this chart:

    List of U.S. states and territories by net migration - Wikipedia

    People are fleeing blue (disaster) areas like DC, New York, Illinois, and California in much larger proportions than they are Nebraska.
     
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    And that is the issue here. We have one group saying it should be used like birth control for any reason and another group saying it should never be allowed even if it is a 12 year old that was raped.

    One of these is definitely more disturbing than the other but both sides are horrible in my opinion.
     
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    What is a female? You basically just said a woman is a woman. I am talking about the legal and biological aspects of the identifier.

    On a biological concept:
    Is it based on reproductive organs?
    Is it based on chromosomes?
    Is it based on outward appearance?
    Is it based on reproductive ability?

    Moving to a legal concept what would be the implications of using the above chosen definition for a SCOTUS ruling?
     
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    The dictionary can help you out here:

    "of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs"

    Female Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
     
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    Nebraska depends on the Ogalalla reservoir, which is being drained. At the same time, the state is getting hotter and drier.

    The state got badly hurt by Republican tax cuts. Suicide by Laffer...

    Long term, you've got problems.

    Basically, saying rights are rights is babbling. The intent of Law is to balance competing rights and interests. Ignoring that threatens Rule of Law, democracy and the country..
     
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    Correct, that is a definition
    If a female is infertile (elderly, medically or prepubescent) does that make the individual not a female? Around 11% of all women of childbearing age cannot do so — what are they?

    I understand why she didn’t answer and I understand why the right is outraged that she didn’t answer (I do find it interesting that much more legally principled answers were dodged for the Republican judges and the right was ok with these).

    Like everything there is a ton of nuance that everyone is ignoring.
     
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    His state and the states choice if roe v wade is done away with . each state can decide for its self. Whats wrong with that ?
     
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    Dictionaries are always racing to keep up with changes in language.

    That pisses people off, including me, but dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive.
     
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    Are you trying to say that you disagree with that definition of 'female'? You think it's wrong?
     
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    No, the definition says "the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs". If a girl has not yet reached puberty, she doesn't (yet) have the capacity to bear young or produce eggs, but she's still a female. Same for older women that have already gone through menopause. They don't have the capacity to bear young or produce eggs anymore, but they're still female. And if a woman, through some accident or birth deformity, either has lost or never had the capacity to bear young or produce eggs, she's still female.
     

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