It's time to get serious on the issue of gun violence

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  1. Cybred

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    Nope, its an accurate definition.
     
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    Do you even know what calibers you would like to ban or restrict? Or how about giving me a reason for each caliber.
     
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    I’m actually glad the democrats are screaming for gun control. No better issue to unite the right. Specially with hair brain threats on ammo
     
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    Must cloud Biden’s as well. All that talk on banning menthol cigarettes…
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Its a fearmonger technique only used by those that want to ban guns.
     
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    Nope, its an accurate definition.
     
  7. Kal'Stang

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    :yawn:
     
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    Nope, its STILL an accurate definition.
     
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    Do you have any thing new to add to the conversation? Or are you so obsessed with using a fearmongering technique that you're going to continue till the cows jump over the moon? Because it doesn't matter how often you repeat yourself. It will STILL be a fearmongering technique because guns do not cause violence. They are incapable of doing so. No matter how much you wish otherwise.
     
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    No fearmongering, we're both standing in the rain and you keep telling me its not raining. ONCE again "gun violence" is violence committed WITH a gun. Please point out where it says the gun is committing the violence.
     
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    Which we know are bad for people and have been marketed towards African Americans. Thereby making them sick.
     
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    I hear what you're saying regarding raw data but the problem I have with arguments like this is that it doesn't always paint an accurate picture down to the individual level. Yes I agree, when looking at raw unfiltered statistics I am more likely to shoot myself with a gun than to use my gun to defend my home from home invasion. But I, me personally, am probably not going to shoot myself with my gun because I'm not suicidal.

    When looking at raw unfiltered statistics I am the single most deadly type of human being living in the United States. I am more likely to murder another person than literally any other demographic in the country by a long shot. Out of everyone living within a 20 mile radius of my house I am the one statistically most likely to actually go and kick in the door of my 70 year old neighbor and attempt to do her harm way more so than any of my other neighbors by a long shot. But I, me personally, am not going to go kick in my elderly neighbors door and attempt to do her harm because even though I am a Black adult male I personally am not a violent criminal.
     
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    And owning a swimming pool means you're far more likely to drown in a pool than if you did not own one.
     
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    Cigarettes make everyone sick. But they only care about making blacks switch their brand cause why? They’re not smart enough to stop on their own? This is a racist action that if a Republican done it would be labeled racist right out the gate.
     
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    The fear mongering comes from the pro-gunners who think that around every corner there is someone waiting to murder them so must get more guns.
     
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    That's silly. Do you even know what "fear mongering" means? Because if they are what you say then being afraid has nothing to do with it. Fear mongering is when you purposefully say something untrue just to make others afraid of something. For instance saying the phrase "gun violence" in order to emphasize guns as if they were the cause of violence even though guns do not cause anything because they're inanimate objects.

    I bet I could give you hundreds or thousands of examples where someone's life was saved due to them using a gun. But you will never be able to point to one single time that a gun caused violence. As such someone being afraid of being murdered is actually a possibility. A gun causing violence however will never be a possibility.
     
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    Because menthols had gone underregulated compared to cigarettes. But who else sees what you are setting up? I call it the racial whine. “Democrats say X, but Republicans Yine. Therefore race relations bad”
     
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    Thus, immediately what the post lamented; the least suggestion at less than total laissez faire is met with false "slippery slope" protests. So, moderate measures become impossible and draconian ones more inevitable. Congrats!
     
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    It's not a slippery slope if its actually being attempted.
     
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    US polity score in 2010 was 10/10 I think, aka the highest ranking a democracy can get. Since then gun ownership has increased, or at least remained stable. However polity score has decreased, though stabilized at around 6. Aka the US lost freedoms when more guns were purchased. Therefore more guns equals less freedom. Which is kinda obvious. Voters will reward violence in some cases. More guns means more access to opportunities to utilize violence. Therefore less freedom.
     
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    You do know that correlation does not equal causation...right? I'd LOVE for you to actually prove what you just said.
     
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    Okay I tell you what.

    You give me a list of all the “common sense” “moderate gun control measures”.

    I will agree to those (as long as they’re not absurd such as only allowing a musket or something).

    However, I am concerned about the “slippery slope”. So in order to combat that, I will agree to your conditions for common sense gun regulations… ON THE CONDITION that you agree to a constitutional amendment guaranteeing that there will be ZERO further gun restrictions after we institute your “moderate gun control”. An amendment which says something to the effect of “these are the regulations on gun control being agreed to and there will be no further gun control of ANY KIND after that REGARDLESS of how many atrocities may be committed afterwards with guns.”

    Deal? Or are you just trying to manipulate the other side into agreeing with your gun control measures so you can come back later and do it again until we have nothing left? You know… the slippery slope you’re claiming doesn’t exist and that we are so worried about.
     
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    Here you go. The "Weapons Effect" | Psychology Today
     
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    But that would be true for any weapon. As they acknowledge in that article. A knife, a taser, a baseball bat.

    Meaning if you have a gun and a butchers knife in the house at the same time, there’s no evidence that you would be more aggressive because you have the gun AND the knife as opposed to just a knife alone. And I’d say pretty much everyone has a knife in their house. Even liberal transgender vegan pacifists need them to cut vegetables.
     
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    Until the left figures out that guns don't kill people, people kill people, there will be no solution because the solution isn't gun control. The solution is to make sure dangerous people aren't roaming the streets. Pretty much 100% of those committing gun crimes already have reasons they should be locked up but we aren't doing it.
     
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