It's time to get serious on the issue of gun violence

We just had a right wing terrorist attack in Buffalo, motivated by the rhetoric used by political elites. We also had a major breach of capital defenses and a coup attempt.

So no. You don’t get to pull the “ignore my violence because there’s something else going on” shtick. We have ignored this for 30 years and now we are paying the price. We have to end it now or it will get worse.

 

What price are we paying? How many actual victims?

Let's talk numbers, not emotions.

How many people are killed by right wing radicals every year in the entire US?

How many people are killed on the streets of Chicago in any given year?

Do you measure the size of a problem by people or politics?

 

Uhh are you asking to compare non political crimes with political attacks? That’s just a losing argument right there. Because the answer is we spend billions of dollars on both. Because they’re both security risks. They’re just different kinds of security risks.

 

We should spend more money on the bigger problem though, right? That makes more sense, right?

How would you like to measure the size of the problems? Politics or people?

 

I agree with most of this, but the fact is nearly all mass shooters (outside the mass shootings done by gangs every day which COULD be stopped) should have been prohibited already.

The guy that shot up the FL school wasn't allowed to bring a backpack to school, for example. Why? They knew he was quite likely to bring in a weapon. His criminal behavior was swept under the rug because the school district didn't want bad numbers in their reporting.

They just sent a mass shooter back to work with an ankle monitor.

They routinely release violent criminals back onto the streets. They routinely drop charges against felons with firearms.

Most violent crime in this country is committed by repeat offenders. Those people need to either be in jail for life, or if circumstances are egregious enough, be given the death penalty.

 

You know they have lost the debate when they must categorize gun violence to win

 

I will say by the number of people who believe in conspiracy theories like the 2020 presidential elections was won by Donal Trump instead of Joe Biden.

 

You call it that because you don't want to address the reality of the situation.

 

And lump in suicides with that number.

 

Evasion noted.

And I quote-

"You don’t get to pull the “ignore my violence because there’s something else going on” shtick. "

-Kranes56

That's exactly what you're trying to do.

You don't get to ignore tens of thousands of victims of black street crime violence because one nut shot up a grocery store in Buffalo.

 

How can anyone get serious about a myth?

 

I was being serious. Measure it in access to and spread of conspiracy theories. Because conspiracy theories are a measurable way of looking at discourse of subaltern groups. So we can look at how marginalized people are impacted by violence in the communities. The assumption being that seeing violence only destroys.

See what I mean? We have had more examples of right wing terrorism in the US than left wing or Islamist according to PIRUS.

 

Yet they don't list them. I wonder why.

Meanwhile, back in reality....

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/f...rrorist-Attacks-US_1970-2013_Overview-508.pdf

 

So you don't think gang violence is politically charged terrorism? You have much to research about gang hierarchy!

Pssssssst, they even have Presidents and solders even!!

 

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”However, attacks were most frequently carried out by individuals not known to be afiliated with a perpetrator group. These include Wade Michael Page’s assault at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012, as well as Nidal Hasan’s attack at Ft. Hood in 2009.”

This is the problem with looking at things from a group based perspective. It discounts the smaller acts of “lone wolf violence”. The Buffalo terrorist wasn’t affiliated with any group but decided to use violence inspired by organized groups. The reason for this is the work of institutions like the ACLU and SPLC. If any right wing group tries to use violence as a tactic, they will find themselves in so many lawsuits they can’t keep their organization together anymore. Like what happened in the aftermath ofCharlottesville. As a result they tend to not be as organized as compared to left wing terrorist attacks. Which tend to be more showy than deadly. For example they might call a place and say there is a bomb, triggering a bomb scare. Which then goes off.

Long story short? It’s not surprising organized right wing violence doesn’t happen. Because they can’t organize it in the first place. Which is why what the GOP is doing is so dangerous. It’s enabling white nationalists to take their message mainstream and give them the necessary political cover to act. Remember-political violence has supporters. Which to the mods-I am not endorsing violence, just making a commonly accepted premise in the study of violence.

 

There is no ideology more violent than the left. They're just incompetent in carrying out violence unless they're in a mob.

Right wing attacks are not even close to the people who attacked Trump supporters and burned down cities.

You'll believe what you want though, so go right ahead.

 

Well that’s just shutting down any debate. So I will change topic. How is the weather where you are at?

 

In the Denver-Colorado Springs corridor right now there is about a foot of snow and the temperature is at, or below, freezing. "Global Warming"...? And, "bear mace"...? If even a shot to a bear's head with something like a .357-magnum doesn't stop him, how is spray supposed to do any good? Ah... the liberal 'mind'!

 

Oh cool! I have a nice warm spring day here in NY. The rain cooled things down nicely. And the kids enjoyed playing outside after the rain.

 

Your neighbor to the west is sunny and 27 degree's Ever wonder why Southwest Wyoming has so few trees? Last night just froze them All next week is calling for low thirties.. But ok with me, the colder it stays the less the glaciers melt and the worse the drought is on the west coast, all good

 

Perfect. Getting ready to go take care of the lawn, my wifes roses, and clean the garage.

How about you.

 

Taking nephew to the library after his swim lessons.

 

Fact is- you have never seen a violent gun, because a gun is an inanimate object with no emotion or malice.

You have seen people employ guns for the purpose of their violence. They also employ a huge variety of other things as weapons. Guns are not violent; people are violent.

Why would anybody think that banning guns would change the nature of such people?

When you can demonstrate how passing laws against guns makes violent people docile and peaceful, please do so.... Until you can, it's delusional garbage.

 

Nah, we have only had incidents labelled by the left as such. Big difference.

 

An adjective describes a noun.

What kind of fight was it? Fist, knife, gun?
What kind of show was it? Boat, car, gun?

See how I took nouns and turned them into descriptors?