Al Jazeera reporter killed during Israeli raid in West Bank

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  1. Thingamabob

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    Georg Kareski sure was a Nazi. The father of the Zionist Nazi Jews and anyway bedoin are not settlers any more than zigeiner are Romanians.
     
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    Actually, it was both the German Zionist Federation and Germany's National Socialists who drew up the Nuremberg Race Laws in an effort to keep both "races" pure.

    These Race Laws were not as strict as Israel's current Race Laws in that Jews under Hitler were permitted too rise to the highest ranks and receive Germany's highest honors in both Germany's National Socialist Party(1) and Germany's military(2)

    Additionally, in Hitler's Germany there were about 40 training and agricultural camps where Germany's Jews were taught how to fight, grow crops etc in preparation for their life in Palestine (3).

    Briefly put, without pre WW 2 Nazi arms and training it's unlikely that Zionist Israel would exist as it does today.




    (1) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (2) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED

    [Clarification: I don't deny that the holocaust happened, I simply feel that it has been grossly exaggerated and crassly exploited]


    (3)“Zionism and the Third Reich”
    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

    EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

    Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

    In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED
     
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    Very interesting.
     
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    I'm glad that you thought so.
    Don't expect to find much information about Zionist - Nazi collaboration in Zionist dominated Wikipedia and other forms of MSM:


    - "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/
    EXCERPT:
    Campaign to infiltrate Wikipedia

    CAMERA called for volunteers to secretly work on editing Wikipedia entries. It emphasized the importance of keeping the project secret. Volunteers were schooled in ways to elude detection. After they signed up as editors, they were to “avoid editing Israel-related articles for a short period of time.”CONTINUED


    - “Zionist Control of WikiPedia
    http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia

    EXCERPT “And as shown in our section on Google, this Internet search-engine is well in the hands of Zionist Jews and also cooperates openly with Zionist organizations such as ADL and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) to control the searches and censoring information and certain sites.

    This means that apart from Wikipedia other sites may be censored when Googling any given subject.” CONTINUED


    - "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia"



    - "The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz"
    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html

    EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia.

    The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED
     
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    If the Palestinian animals would stop attacking Israelis there wouldn't be a problem
     
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    You've got your cart in front of the horse. If the Israelis would stop counter-attacking the Palestinians there wouldn't be a problem.
     
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    Counter attack. That means its ok for the Palestinian terrorist to attack the Israelis but not ok for the Israelis to fight back. Yea that sounds really fair.
     
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    Never heard of him
     
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    No, it means that it is ok for the Palestinians to fight back when the Israelis terrorize them. It might not sound fair to you but it does to me.
     
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    You have now.
     
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    Exactly!

    Because of the pervasive influence of Israel's Hasbara trolls, I was especially surprised to see Wikipedia admit that there were high ranking Jews in Germany's National Socialist Party, Gestapo etc and in Hitler's WW 2 military.
     
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    Yes, I'm surprised too.
     
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    I would not tolerate it but I wouldn't fight a giant military power like Israel. Isn't it possible to not tolerate it without retaliating?
     
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    Oh, so law enforcement has no business in stopping criminal activity. Wow, that's an interesting take that you have! I wonder if you would apply the same logic to thugs bashing your car! I'm sure that you would not expect the cops to get involved, and you would say that it's simply a matter between you and the thugs who are bashing your car! :roflol:

    Isn't is also possible that the Palestinians are hiding something?
     
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    Multiple videos show the Israeli's beating mourners who are nowhere near the hearse.
    In your desperate attempt to excuse any and every Israeli crime and atrocity, how do you explain that?


    Re
    Yes and it's possible that I could win the lottery but we both know that the odds are against it.

    All the eyewitness testimony and video evidence points to a deliberate killing and since 2001, Israel has killed 50 Palestinian journalists. Additionally, the Red Cross has repeatedly condemned Israeli "investigations" for being dishonest and self serving.

    It's not just non Jews who criticize Israel's abusive treatment of Palestine's native residents.
    American Jews also object to Israel's abuses:

    - “Poll finds a quarter of US Jews think Israel is ‘apartheid state’”
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-finds-a-quarter-of-us-jews-think-israel-is-apartheid-state/


    EXCERPTS “Also, 22% of respondents believe ‘Israel is committing genocide’; 67% say denying Jewish state’s right to exist is antisemitic

    Among respondents to the survey commissioned by the Jewish Electorate Institute, a group led by prominent Jewish Democrats, 34 percent agreed that “Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is similar to racism in the United States,” 25% agreed that “Israel is an apartheid state” and 22% agreed that “Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians.”” CONTINUED


    - "Young Jews Fed Up With Israel Says Tom Friedman"
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/young-jews-fed-up-with-is_b_772971.html

    EXCERPT " I don’t know if this can be fixed. But Israel should start by ending the occupation. Another Yitzhak Rabin would sure help too. (Israel’s popularity was at an all-time high when he was prime minister and pursuing an agreement with the Palestinians).

    One thing is clear. The people who support the status quo are no friends of Israel. J Street can try to make the difference but, with young Jews indifferent to Israel, even J Street faces a very steep uphill climb."CONTINUED
     
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    Neither of can possibly realize what life under Israeli occupation is like.

    We both have reliable electrical service, clean water, access to good food, transportation, heat and air conditioned living quarters and the freedom to visit family members and friends whenever we feel like it.
    Native Palestinians under Israeli Occupation have none of those things and absolutely no hope of ever acquiring any of them regardless of what they do.

    Palestine's native residents have tried abiding by cease fires but Right Wing Israelis and IDF always initiate hostilities and the cycle begins again.

    It is obvious to impartial observers, many Israelis and the world that Israel does not want peace(1)


    (1) "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-does-not-want-peace-1.5253291

    EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.

    Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides."CONTINUED
     
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    You didn't answer the question: Isn't it possible to not tolerate it without retaliating?

    So Israel has rejected every partition plan presented to them? And the Arabs have accepted any partition plan presented to them? And is it not the case that the Arabs have refused to accept the establishment of the State of Israel?
     
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    Ok, so are you okay with the police at least beating the thugs who attacked the hearse?

    How do you know that the people the police are beating weren't attacking the hearse 5 minutes earlier?

    Can you support that claim?
     
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    That's because I don't know what you mean by "not tolerate".
    Meanwhile, try to name just one occupied people who have not resisted their brutal occupiers.

    Re:
    That's not what I said. Just read the Haaretz article I included on Israeli rejectionism.
     
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    Re:
    No, I'm not OK with police beating anyone; either arrest them for committing a crime or let them alone.


    Re:
    Why are you so obviously desperate to excuse any Israeli crime and atrocity? The Israeli's were there to provoke a response, not come to the aid of a Palestinian hearse driver.


    Re:
    Of course. I thought that I already did.
    Here it is again:

    "The killing of Palestinian-American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, explained"
    https://www.vox.com/2022/5/11/23067365/shireen-abu-akleh-palestinian-journalist-killed-israel
    EXCERPT "If an investigation ultimately does find Israeli soldiers responsible, it wouldn’t be the first time the country’s military has targeted the press. Israel has killed more than 50 Palestinian journalists since 2001, according to the Palestinian Journalism Syndicate, and Reporters Without Borders has recorded more than 144 journalists injured in just the last four years." CONTINUED
     
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    So there is no law enforcement context in which police need to engage physically with people? Seriously?

    This is your assumption based on your bias.

    Targeted killings?
     
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    Well you could have asked me. Using the definition which you provided earlier:
    So, using that definition, isn't it possible to not tolerate it without retaliating?

    Well I didn't SAY that it's what you said. I was asking: has Israel rejected every partition plan presented to them? And have the Arabs accepted ANY partition plan presented to them? And is it not the case that the Arabs have refused to accept the establishment of the State of Israel?
     
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    Re:
    I don't think so because to "not tolerate" indicates that you're not going to endure the status quo or that you are going to do something other that tolerate abuse at the hands of militant Settlers, IDF provocations etc.

    Gaza, I believe, is the third most densely populated place in the world and is more and more frequently being referred to as an "open air prison" and / or "concentration camp" inhabited by people whose farms, home and land have been stolen and they have no hope of escaping what has become a weapons testing ground for IDF (1) in which Palestine's native residents are guinea pigs.

    Re:
    Of course not because every "partition" was made to appease influential Zionist organizations in London and involved the colonial taking of Palestinian land.

    Would you voluntarily give half of your land to militant, foreign Zionist terrorists who hate you for simply existing?



    (1) “The Lab”: Israel Tests Weapons, Tactics On Captive Palestinian Population
    https://www.wrmea.org/2013-septembe...actics-on-captive-palestinian-population.html

    EXCERPT "“The Lab,” which won a recent award at DocAviv, Israel’s documentary Oscars, is due to premiere in the U.S. in August. Directed by Yotam Feldman, the film presents the first close-up view of Israel’s arms industry and the dealers who have enriched themselves.

    The title relates to the film’s central argument: that Israel has rapidly come to rely on the continuing captivity of Palestinians in what are effectively the world’s largest open-air prisons.

    The reason is that there are massive profits to be made from testing Israeli military innovations on the more than four million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank."CONTINUED
     
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    Generally speaking, yes but do you really think that those Israeli police were there to protect a Palestinian hearse?

    Please keep in mind the for decades, the Israeli M.O. has been to provoke-then-massacre.

    "Moshe Dayan, in his diaries said: "Our strategy was always to provoke the Arabs and get an appropriate response so we could attack and smash them."

    http://www.sott.net/signs/signs154.htm

    Re:
    To be honest, I don't know but if even half were targeted killings it is entirely unacceptable and explains why Israel is one of the most unpopular countries on the planet.(1)
    It's not "anti Semitism" as the Hasbara crowd insists.


    (1) “BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations”
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bb...tions-1.525890

    EXCERPT“The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.”CONTINUED
     

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