Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

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    I finally found Russia. I had a dirt spot on my screen so I couldn't see it.
     
  2. Durandal

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    "Импорт товаров в Россию сократился примерно до уровня 2020" ("Imports of goods to Russia fell to about the level of 2020")

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    Keep dreaming.
     
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    Brief visits to a place hardly give someone enough information to determine how life is for those who actually live there, you know.
     
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    Russian economy is being crushed like a cockroach on a wall. You should stock up on some Russian Standard vodka - it will help you cope with reality after you lose a significant portion, if not all, of the money you put into russia, if that story is true.
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    Good time to buy Russian Stocks buy low .. sell high :)
     
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    Or they might start nationalizing big companies, leaving stock holders with nothing. Sanctions are not a recession, this downturn can last quite a while. Besides, many Russians are craving Stalinism now - many want an iron curtain. ;)
     
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    Yeah .. that is always something one needs to consider when bottom fishing .. the big question in fact "Will the Patient Survive"
    cause if the patient does survive .. big money to be made.

    The claim that Russians' are craving "Stalinism" - patent made up nonsense on the spot - . so won't put much weight from that into the equation.
     
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    Russia is half Stalinist right now. You don't have a right to even know if your son is dead or alive in Ukraine's 'special operation.'
    These mothers had a big impact during the Afghan War. Putin will either have to crush emerging dissent, retreat or resign.
    And I wonder WHO is ordering or dismissing the on-going murder of civilians in Ukraine?

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    It doesn't work like that! A statement has been made and, if you disagree it is YOU that needs to disprove it!
     
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    Talking w/r to economic activity.. Must try to follow context better.
     
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    Wots this 'w/r' ????
     
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    I don't know why Putin just doesn't declare to Russians that the Special Operation has been completed and that Russian Forces have been victorious. If you control the information output and the methods of delivery and control the enforcement of the information then truth and reality are irrelevant. Isn't this Russia? The fact that soldiers will still be dying and that equipment is being lost is easily explained - its exactly the same story that they used to start the operation in the first place - Ukrainian Nazis are still at large and need eradicating....blah blah..... Sanction etc. will just bolster the (patriot) view (in his reality anyway) that the West is in an economic war with Russia and that all Russians need to pull together to fight for Russia and its survival...negotiations finished....:D....we won they lost....;)
     
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    How many times people have to prove things to you?

    US, EU sacrificing Ukraine to ‘weaken Russia’: fmr. NATO adviser

    https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/15/us-eu-sacrificing-ukraine-to-weaken-russia-fmr-nato-adviser/

    Guest: Jacques Baud. Former intelligence officer with the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service who has served in a number of senior security and advisory positions at NATO, the United Nations, and with the Swiss military.

    JACQUES BAUD: Well, I think we have to understand, as you know, that the war in fact hasn’t started on 24 February this year. It started already in 2014. But I think that the Russians always hoped that this conflict could be solved on a political level, in fact; I mean the Minsk agreements and all that. So, basically what led to the decision to launch an offensive in the Donbas was not what happened since 2014. There was a trigger for that, and the trigger is two things; I mean, it came in two phases, if you want.

    The first is the decision and the law adopted by [Volodymyr] Zelenskyy in March 2021—that means last year—to reconquer Crimea by force, and that started a build-up of the Russian armored for…not the Russian, [rather] the Ukrainian armored forces in the southern parts of the country. And so, I think the Russians were perfectly aware of this build-up. They were aware that an operation was to be launched against the Republics of the Donbas, but they did not know when, and, of course, they were just observing that, and then came the real trigger.

    You may remember that—I think it was on the 16th of February—Joe Biden, during a press conference, told that he knew that the Russians would attack. And how would he know that? Because I still have some contacts, and nobody actually thought that the Russians—before end of January, beginning of February—I think nobody thought that the Russians would attack Ukraine. So, there must have been something that made Biden aware that the Russians would attack. And this something, in fact, is the intensification of the artillery shelling of the Donbas starting on the 16th of February, and this increase in the shelling was observed, in fact, by the [Border] Observer Mission of the OSCE [Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe], and they recorded this increase of violation, and it’s a massive violation. I mean, we are talking about something that is about 30 times more than what it used to be, because the last eight years you had a lot of violations from both sides, by the way. But suddenly on the 16th of February you had a massive increase of violation on the Ukrainian side. So, for the Russians, Vladimir Putin in particular, that was the sign that the operation—the Ukrainian operation—was about to start.

    And then everything started; I mean, all the events came very quickly. That means that if we look at the figures, you can see that there’s, as I said, a massive increase from the 16th-17th, and then it reached kind of a maximum on the 18th of February, and that was continuing.

    And the Russian parliament, the Duma, also was aware of this possible offensive, and they passed a resolution asking Vladimir Putin to recognize the independence of the two self-proclaimed Republics in the Donbas. And that’s what Putin decided to do on the 21st of February. And just after adopting the decrees, the law recognizing the independence of the two Republics, Vladimir Putin signed a friendship and assistance agreement with those two Republics. Why did he do that? So that would allow the Republics to ask for military help in case of attack. And that’s why, on the 24th of February when Vladimir Putin decided to launch the offensive, it could invoke Article 51 of the UN Charter that provides for assistance in case of attack.
     
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    Imma just gonna leave this here:

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    Russia is now one day closer to it's utter destruction.
     
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    The United States should sit down at the negotiating table and conclude an agreement with Russia on the recognition of mutual security.
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    The Ukrainian crisis was the result of Washington and NATO ignoring Russia's security interests. This was stated in an interview with Junge Welt by the former chairman of the Social Democratic Party of Germany, Oscar Lafontaine.
     
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    No, the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the person making the claim. I get that some people like to live in a 'post truth world' where just saying something makes it a 'fact', but that isn't how things actually are.

    Whatever your claim, be prepared to back it up with credible sources.
     
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    The entire population of NATO countries is one day closer to their destruction.
     
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    Reason is the most reliable source.
    The US missile base in Poland makes no sense, except for the first surprise strike against Russia. The US is preparing to attack.
     
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    That is a great idea.

    The US & NATO offer to guarantee the security of any nation bordering Russia and not station nuclear armed missiles in those nations. Russia. Russia promises to withdraw all its military forces from the internationally recognized territory of any nation that does not want them there.

    Easy!
     
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    Repeating lies doesn't make them any less untrue.
     
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    The Ukrainian crisis was the result of Washington and NATO ignoring Russia's security interests. This was stated in an interview with Junge Welt by the former chairman of the Social Democratic Party of Germany, Oscar Lafontaine.

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    So tell the truth, how the US base in Poland will destroy missiles launched in Russia 2 minutes after its destruction.
     
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    The problem is that people of Luhansk, Donetsk, Crimea, Mariupol etc....want them there. Those people asked for Russians to protect them against inevitable ethnic cleansing and extermination. That's what Ukrainian nationalist do. That's the only thing they know how to do. Kill, nassacre, torture etc...
     
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