A Challenge To Anyone

Our prayers go out to the families in Uvalde. Horrible killing of little children and teachers. The good news is the killer was shot and killed.
All that being said I challenge all to come up with a plan that will protect school kids. Don't talk politics, don't talk about the pass, don't talk about what someone should have done, don't bring up what someone said. Suggest a plan/action for the future that will prevent this from happening. Yes, we seem we have a problem in this country. Our kids are being murdered in schools. So, take this problem, that I have identified, and make a suggestion that will reduce/eliminate this problem. The solution you offer has to be one that would have prevented the shooting at Uvalde.
I have a simple plan but will withhold posting until I see other plans.

 

These questions have been answered dozens of times.

Nowhere else in the world are there so many mass shootings.

The gun culture and its availability kill thousands of Americans every year.

 

The problem is that the guns are already here. Passing laws to get rid of guns will result in the law abiding turning in their guns while the lawless hold onto theirs. Maybe after a decade or two, it will help. In the meantime, the law abiding will be at the mercy of the lawless.

Stricter enforcement of existing laws would have a more immediate effect.

 

This is what is ACTUALLY going to happen to protect school children.....



And we all know it

 

I am aware that changing the culture of guns will take a long time.

But the first step is to recognize that tougher laws save lives.

And even that, the Conservatives refuse to do.

 

What are these laws the conservatives refuse to do?

 

Did you not get the memo that President Trump passed red flag laws?

 

The thing is, the gun culture and availability of guns has always existed in this country. Yet there were no mass shootings at churches, malls, theaters, concerts, schools, etc when I was growing up in the 1970s and 80s. If they were it was a rarity. But now it's commonplace. Point being that it can't be JUST because there are guns.
Something has happened, what it is I don't know, to people in this country that they turn to such violence to deal with issues they are having. I don't know the reasons why or have any answers to stop it.

 

Stricker background checks.

 

This is common because the guns available are more powerful, contain more ammunition and there are many more of them in circulation.

 

Be more specific. I don't have a problem with stricter laws that get into mental condition.

If you are talking about Universal Background Checks, be careful what you are asking for.

Are you willing for law enforcement to come into your house, no notice to make sure you have the guns you claim you have?

 

That's a whole boatload of bull crap right there.

 

So mass shootings occur more only because guns today are more powerful? That makes no sense whatsoever.
The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 and wounded 17 with a 9mm semi-auto handgun that held a 10 round mag.

 

Not only, but it is a factor.

And there are many more guns in circulation today than there were 40 years ago.

Even if you wanted to direct the debate towards moral values or mental health, the issue of gun proliferation will always remain the primary cause, the one you don't want to see.

 

The right wing fallacy used as push back to enhanced gun control measures is those of us in favor of them believe they can prevent all gun violence generally, or incidents like yesterday's specifically. We know they can't. The more realistic goal is reducing gun violence. Some of my proposals include; 1. A three month waiting period to purchase a gun while an extensive background check is performed. 2. Raise the legal purchase age to 21. 3. Ghost guns, semi-automatic guns, extended clips/magazines etc. are banned. 4. Gun owners should be required to keep their guns in a locked, secure place with trigger locks. 5. Gun owners must carry an insurance policy in the event their weapon is used in a crime or accidental shooting. 6. Conduct a review of concealed/open carry laws with an immediate repeal of open carry laws for rifles. 7. Hold gun manufacturers legally accountable for the types of ads they run.

 

Why should I be careful?

19 children died for nothing yesterday.

They were in a secure school with 3 armed guards.

Police arrived only minutes after the killing began.

But it is inconceivable that a country ensures the mental health of its citizens who have access to guns?

 

You left off part of my quote. A very important part.

 

But there are millions of gun owners who don't carry out mass shootings. So the real issue is what's going on with these people who do carry out mass shootings. Something is prompting them to resort to this kind of violence. It's not because they have a gun. It's something much deeper than that.

 

Yes. If you have nothing to hide, what are you worried about ?

 

What is this ridiculous argument?

There is no other place in the world where there are more mass shootings than in the US.

You expect me to believe that the disconcerting ease with which a gun can be obtained has nothing to do with it?

 

Could he have done that with a musket?

 

I'm saying having the gun is not the REASON someone resorts to shooting up a school. I have a gun and have never even thought about shooting up a school.

 

Of course not. He couldn't have don't it with a slingshot either. Your point?

 

Its not the fact that guns are already here, its the culture, especially the pro-gun culture, that perpetuates this issue in which nothing can be resolved.

In the old days, we didn't use guns to solve our differences, we used words or even fisticuffs to solve our differences with an occasional knife being produced. We also had a tendency to walk away or to do this in the gym or something similar. Think old days as 1940s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. Guns were always present. It wasn't till the 1990s that having and owning a firearm was now considered a "cool" or "American" or "my right no matter what" mentality. And then we started using firearms as the first resort to solve differences. Want to really intimidate someone or try to intimidate someone, open carry in such a manner you think you were Doc Holiday from Tombstone or something similar. People argue saying "I want to be protected in case something bad happens." Well, you are forgetting the first rule of thumb, be aware of yourl surroundings.

The other problematic argument is "It is our right." True but we are not the only country to have that right. Switzerland, Canada, and even the Philippines have, in their Constitution, the right to bear arms. Yet each country also, through its history and national psyche, has different ways of exercising that right. But somehow, the pro-gun culture thinks it should be any firearm of any type of any model, etc. And that is not our history either.

And when reasonable solutions do come up, such as universal background checks or red flag laws, then the first argument is "They will take away your guns" by the pro-gun crowd. And that is complete BS too. They point to New Orleans during Katrina as an example. What they fail to mention is that half of the police force quit and they were securing the firearms left in abandoned homes that anyone could steal because there was not enough law enforcement and national guard troops to do the job properly for that. And that was during an extreme moment of time when pretty much everything was devastated there.

So, why has nothing changed, but the NRA is no longer a gun rights and gun education nonprofit. It is a firearms manufacturer 501c organization whose job is not to guarantee high sales of firearms. And they don't want anything that might jeopardize their profit motive. Keep the public in fear and the popularity of the gun will continue with no real solution in sight that will not ban any type of firearm from the general public.

 

Proving to you as you mass shooting mainly happen because of the type of guns used today. But of course, it's not the only reason.