The Texas shooting shows the futility of arming teachers

So, you would be fine if the mass shooting rate kept climbing? You will be OKAY when the newer, more powerful, rapid fire rifles come on the market and you have incidents that make Las Vegas look like a small issue

 

What about my freedoms? Freedom to walk into my university classroom of 200 without worrying that one of the students is pi$$ed off by getting bad grades, went into the nearest gun shop and bought an AR15 and tons of ammo to mow the classroom down? Or my freedom to not worry whether the call from the school my kids are attending I am getting is about an active shooter on campus?

In the US, one has to worry about those things. In other countries, it does not even cross people's minds.

Now, I wonder if the gun nuts would change their mind if one of their own loved ones were mowed down by someone going postal with easy access to guns? Would they still claim "it's the price of freedom"? It's easy to say that when someone else is paying the price. I know for myself that the rest of my life would be destroyed if one of my kids would die in a school shooting.

 

wouldn’t anyones life be destroyed if they lost a kid, regardless of how it happened?

 

Exactly the brainless macho attitude that has got you into trouble in the first place.

Also, a military-style rifle that can mow down dozens of people is an unnecessary defence against an intruder.

 

Futile how? Point, aim and shoot
This isn’t Star Trek . You expect the cops to teleport there? If these teachers were strapped those deaths would have been cut in half
Another fail for “liberal logic”

 

Yeah there is. Leftists are still doing it. In fact, more kids are dying of drug overdose, and suicide than school shootings and it all links back to the same damn thing. Isolation and lack of socialization Brought on by do nothing lock downs that did far more harm than good for school age kids. Combine that with a curriculum that taught kids that they were either oppressors or without hope in the modern world and you have a perfect storm of nihilist bull crap making kids feel alienated and hopeless. And leftist of course blame guns and won't even give them agency for the evil they have done and you wonder why the kids are increasing detached from reality in such unhealthy ways.

 

Same with the Las Vegas shooting where the police cowered in the stairwell until the shooting stopped.

 

The 19 children of Uvalde didn't die of an overdose and they did not commit suicide.

 

But they died because some one in their neighborhood was mentally ill and leftist policies make it all but impossible to get him the treatment he needs and in fact did things that made it worse.

 

Arkanis- On one hand, I agree with your last statement, but what people perceive as the "real problem" is not agreed upon at all.

If a problem like this is to be solved, it is critical to understand why it occurs and then how you can address cause. Our history of solving social ills is littered with poorly thought out good intentions that failed miserably, such as prohibition and the "War on Drugs" that is over 50 years old and still waiting for results. Usually, such "solutions" become problems in themselves while failing to solve the target objective.

So to start at the beginning- what are you going to identify as the "real problem"? I'm not being contentious, I'm serious. Until people can recognize and agree on this and understand it, we won't be able to do better.

 

They did not die because there was someone suffering from mental illness near them.

Hundreds of thousands of Texans have mental problems.

They died because someone who wanted to kill them had easy access to guns.

 

Gun proliferation in US society.

 

So you really think someone who wants to kill grade schoolers isn't crazy? I think we can now safely dismiss the rest of your arguments for the weak minded nonsense the are.

 

Sincere question.

What makes you think that you can more effectively keep guns out of people's hands than you can with drugs?

 

What don't you understand?

Do you need a drawing?

It's obvious that someone who massacres 19 children is crazy.

But you defend the principle that American lunatics are the best armed in the world.

 

The day a bag of crack cocaine can kill people from a distance, I will have that debate with you.

 

Sorry do you need a better road map than what you already have? Leftist school exacerbated the crazy with CRT. Fostered isolation, and alienation with school lock downs and made involuntary commitment all but impossible,

 

Wrong, firearm related deaths overtook car accidents as the leading cause of deaths in children:

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/22/1094364930/firearms-leading-cause-of-death-in-children

But, but, but, doesn't matter, as long as the gun lovers can polish their gins, right?

 

In this case, for example, it all happened in one room. IF, it's know that teachers are armed the tactic would become to walk in and first thing shoot the teacher. Arming teachers isn't the solution but the time has come for hardening our schools and public places. IF, we're not going to even attempt proactive gun legislation then we have to do something to stop the madness.

 

Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I asked you, and is nothing more than an attempt to avoid what is a very salient point.

You behave as if you can legislate that people cannot get guns, but as evidenced by drugs, a black market will always emerge to fulfill whatever demand that may arise.

Sincerely, what makes you think that you can more effectively get rid of guns than they have been able to get rid of drugs? I am not a gun nut even remotely. I do not own a gun, and have no intention of ever doing so. I am just a dispassionate observer in search of a solution like everyone else. If I thought your solution would work I would be all for it.

I do not think that your solution is practical even slightly. People will always be able to get guns no matter what legislation is passed, and if someone like this shooter is hell bent on killing people, there are a lot of ways to accomplish that aim, such as with a car through a playground or parade route etc. You see the problem as the gun, and I see the problem as the nut job that wants to cause such devastating harm.

If we cannot limit people's ability to get drugs, what makes you think we can limit their ability to get guns?

 

Even if everything you said was true, at the end of the day, you still put the constitutional right of murderous madmen to get a gun before the lives of American children.

 

Nope and the school forced them to disarm before coming to school. Ramos knew they were all sitting ducks.

 

This was also the argument of all those who were against the strict controls on guns in Australia, Canada, UK, Norway, France, Germany etc...

They were all wrong.

Mass shootings almost never happen in these countries since strict laws have been put in place.

And we have over 25 years of history.

 

Can you detail how you know what is and is not necessary to stop home invasions and why?

 

That's an utter fabrication. No one has the constitutional right to murder anyone, you really look silly saying things like that.