The Texas shooting shows the futility of arming teachers

You are defending a principle that allows crazy people to arm themselves.

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but none of those countries already had the entrenched gun culture that exists here, nor do they have over 300 million already in circulation that could effortlessly feed a black market. Not to mention a ridiculously porous southern border.

The notion with a black market is that there needs to be demand, and that demand, culturally, is nowhere near what exists here. Clearly in this country, there is a demand.

Sincerely, why do you think they can more effectively keep guns from people than they can with drugs? I am open to suggestion. Convince me.

This last guy seemed pretty determined and well planned with his body armor etc. Do you not think that he could have envisioned other ways to create mass carnage? I certainly could if that were my goal.

 

The real problem is mental health which is rampant compared to years ago when more households had guns but there were no school shootings. Since nobody wants to deal with that, all we have left is hardening the schools. These shooters are sociopaths. Tell me how to reduce sociopathy and I will listen.

 

Not true

Metal detectors were installed to stop stabbings - not shootings

Nope. But a locked door would do wonders and allowing teachers to arm themselves would always leave a shooter wondering and looking for a softer target.

Do you believe people should leave their doors unlocked with their address publicly posted and signs saying gun-free house?

 

True.

Americans represent 5% of the world population but own 40% of all guns.

Changing a culture takes time and political will.

Currently, the NRA has virtually every Republican elected official under its thumb.

When Americans are truly disgusted with the killings and the pressure on elected officials is greater than the influence of the gun lobby, there will be change.

As there has been in New Zealand, Canada, Australia and so many other nations.

 

And the fact that you have a problem with it shows that you don't really know what you're talking about, considering you're meddling in things that are really none of your business based on where you live.

 

Why?

I didn't say it was the best answer. You asked about whether teachers should wear it and I said "Sure...why not? Or, at the least, perhaps the teachers should have armor at hand."

I daresay, if the teachers who were killed had been wearing body armor and were armed and trained, the outcome would have been very different.

I don't have a problem with this as long as it doesn't violate the 2nd Amendment.

Sorry, but your "best answer" is to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Then you can pass all the laws you want.

(And I would oppose your attempt to repeal the 2nd Amendment.)

 

I'm defending our rights per the Constitution, have you heard of it? Cuz you have yet to post anything that looks like you have.

 

Aside from the 2020 pause because most everybody was locked in their homes, that naturally caused an increase in 2021 after we got paroled, which is entirely logical, there has been no noticeable increase in the number of incidents. I suppose that's partially because despite the media attention they get, they are very rare happenings, so it's hard to establish any sort of trends at all. As for "more rapid fire" weapons, a weapon can only fire as fast as the shooter is capable of pulling the trigger. The gun can keep up with you, but many untrained people can't keep up with the gun. I also have no problem with fully automatic weapons being legal (and in truth, they already are, but because supply has been artificially restricted, the prices have gone into the stratosphere) because they're so uncontrollable, especially in the hands of an untrained operator, that they'd end up putting more holes in the ceilings than in people.

That's the very reason the US Army changed the M-16 from fully automatic to a 3-round burst.

The Las Vegas incident does bother me, but not because of the tools he chose, rather because why does a guy like that, normal, apparently sane, middle-aged with no criminal record, just go completely off the reservation and do something like that? But since he's deceased, we'll never know. I don't mind that he's deceased, that's what he had coming, I just wish we could have analyzed the hell out of his brain to see if we could figure out the malfunction before dispatching him. Same with the kid from the Texas shooting, but fortunately the Buffalo shooter is alive (for now), so we may be able to gain some insight into the mind of a mass shooter that we don't have now. And then kill him. Slowly and painfully if possible.

 

And they almost never happened before either.

 

These events get media coverage up the wazoo, especially if it's a white guy who used a long gun. Note that we haven't heard a word about the Chinese guy going postal on the Taiwanese church folks anymore. But they're still very rare, along the lines of getting hit by lightning rare, if not even less common. It's kind of like living in Florida, knowing that lightning is indeed a relatively frequent (but still rare), and that from time to time, a hurricane may roll through. It's the risk we take to live in paradise.

 

Except that unlike the American conservatives, when a crazy killed 30 people in 1996, Australian society mobilized to reduce the risk of a similar massacre occurring again.

Here, mass shootings that kill less than 8 people don't even make the news anymore....

 

You defend the right of American crazies to be the best armed in the world.

 

The Schools are horrible filled with crap. I cannot believe having security is stressful

 

...and the kids.
While we're at it let's give the children guns.
The catering staff could be armed too, plus the caretakers and gardeners.
Until everyone has a gun these massacres will continue.

 

That sir is because that's usually gang banger violence in blue cities and it calls into question the Democrats reimagining policing crap which thus far seems to involve turning felons lose to hunt down witnesses.

 

I defend the right of all Americans to defend themselves from the criminals that prey upon us, the tyranny of an out of control government, and the people like you who would give our freedoms away because you feel scared.

 

And without another gun he could have killed 19 more

 

Gang violence is irrelevant to the discussion.

I'm only talking about mass shootings and the means that have been taken elsewhere to reduce them.

If you can't stay on topic, you're going to go on by yourself.

 

Almost any firearm can utilize a high-capacity magazine. I've even seen 100 rounders on a run of the mill pistol. "Military-style" only describes the cosmetics, not the actual useability. In fact, you can buy a rifle that is 100% the same as an AR from a functionality perspective, but because it has a wood stock and looks like a regular old rifle, nobody cares about it, nor is anybody trying to get it banned. It's called a "Mini-14" should you be inclined to do a little bit of actual research, rather than just being scared of a weapon based on how it looks.

 

Once again though, you are addressing it as if outlawing guns would actually keep them out of people's hands. If I thought that you could do that, I may very well support your position. I just do not see that as realistic even slightly. A black market will always emerge, and ultimately it makes obtaining a gun easier than before.

I think that the left has in their mind that it is a given that they can legislate guns out of people's hands, and with that false belief in mind, when people argue that it is their right or they want to protect themselves etc , you internalize that you have the solution and their selfishness is what is responsible for the carnage. Every time a new shooting happens you act as if you can say "I told you so", when in fact no one ever said it would not happen again. Of course it will happen again. This is entirely predictable.

The problem is, no matter what you do, people with bad intent will find a way. They will find a gun or use a vehicle, explosives etc. Focusing on the method is obscuring the true problem which is a society that produces this mindset. Until that mindset is eliminated, the problem will always exist.

 

First of all, I am not talking about a ban, I am talking about a strict control.

And all nations that have applied such controls have had spectacular results.

Not true.

Tough measures against gun possession have a positive effect on the homicide rate.

The US has one of the highest rates in the West.

 

It is utterly amazing there are any schools that don't lock the doors once school is in session.

 

How exactly do you propose to stop that without violating the civil rights of the non-crazy people?

 

The first step is to recognize that the proliferation of guns is a poison for society.

Once this is understood by a large majority, the Constitution can be amended.